* [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
@ 2009-05-31 11:54 Thomas Anderson
2009-05-31 13:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-31 13:35 ` Petteri Räty
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From: Thomas Anderson @ 2009-05-31 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-council
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Attached.
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Thomas Anderson
Gentoo Developer
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Areas of responsibility:
AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council
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Roll Call:
===========
Betelgeuse: here
Cardoe: here
dertobi123: here
dev-zero: here
leio: here
lu_zero: here
tanderson(secretary): physically late, irc client logged everything
ulm: here
Topics:
===========
- Filling the empty council seat.
Donnie Berkholz resigned from the council so there is an empty spot
that needs to be filled. ssuominen and ulm were tied for the next
spot, but ssuominen relinquished his seat to ulm. To fill the spot,
ulm needed to be unanimusly voted in by the current members.
Conclusion:
Unanimously voted to fill the seat. Ulrich Mueller will fill Donnie
Berkholz's seat for the rest of the current term.
- EAPI 3 status report from Zac Medico.
No progress yet. Zac said he'd have a recent recruit of his work with
him on it.
Conclusion:
Zac will work on EAPI 3 features with the help of his recruit. He
will also blog about what features need to be done so the general
community can pitch in.
- Removal of Old Eclasses.
Jorge(jmbsvicetto) requested that the council discuss removing
eclasses from the tree that are no longer needed. The problem with
this is that old(<2.1.4) portage versions used the eclasses from the
tree to run uninstall phases. Thus, the removal of eclasses would
break users who have a portage older than 2.1.4.
Conclusion:
The council voted that to remove eclasses devs should take the
following steps:
1) Deprecate eclasses(warning)
2) Removal of all functionality relating to installing
3) After two years the eclass may be removed.
Thomas Anderson(tanderson) will write up patches for devmanual so
that this policy is documented.
- Handling EAPI Versioning in a forwards-compatible way.
Various developers have raised concerns that GLEP 55 only describes a
solution and doesn't clearly show the problems being solved(if any).
Luca(lu_zero) mentioned a few things in the "Problem" section that he
thought could be clarified, listed below:
1) For "Change the behaviour of inherit in any way", it would be
useful to include references to bugs where requested inherit
changes would require GLEP 55.
2) For "Add new global scope functions in any way", defining
'Sane'.
3) For "Extend versioning rules in an EAPI", removal of all
mentions of GLEP 54 would remove circularity. In addition,
mentioning other version format changes would be useful.
4) For "Use newer bash features", listing useful(including
in-tree) bash features not available in the bash version mandated
by PMS would be useful.
Conclusion:
The council voted on whether they recognized the problem that GLEP
55 is attempting to solve is real. The vote was unanimous in recognition
of the problem.
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* Re: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
2009-05-31 11:54 [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting Thomas Anderson
@ 2009-05-31 13:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-06-01 7:13 ` Luca Barbato
2009-05-31 13:35 ` Petteri Räty
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2009-05-31 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Thomas Anderson; +Cc: gentoo-council
>>>>> On Sun, 31 May 2009, Thomas Anderson wrote:
> - Filling the empty council seat.
> [...]
> Unanimously voted to fill the seat. Ulrich Mueller will fill Donnie
> Berkholz's seat for the rest of the current term.
Just a minor point, is it technically possible to write my last name
with u-umlaut, or must the summary be encoded in ASCII?
> - Removal of Old Eclasses.
> [...]
> The council voted that to remove eclasses devs should take the
> following steps:
> 1) Deprecate eclasses(warning)
I cannot find anything about a mandatory warning mentioned in the log.
(And it would mean that eclasses like kde-i18n.eclass wouldn't qualify
for removal, in spite of its deprecation in 2003.)
> 2) Removal of all functionality relating to installing
> 3) After two years the eclass may be removed.
> - Handling EAPI Versioning in a forwards-compatible way.
> [...]
> The council voted on whether they recognized the problem that GLEP
> 55 is attempting to solve is real. The vote was unanimous in recognition
> of the problem.
There where some abstentions, does the meaning of "unanimous" cover
this?
Otherwise, the summary looks good to me.
Ulrich
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* Re: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
2009-05-31 11:54 [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting Thomas Anderson
2009-05-31 13:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2009-05-31 13:35 ` Petteri Räty
2009-06-01 3:14 ` Alec Warner
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From: Petteri Räty @ 2009-05-31 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Thomas Anderson; +Cc: gentoo-council
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Thomas Anderson wrote:
> Attached.
>
>
Please use ISO 8601 in dates. In Finland the day comes before the month
for example.
Regards,
Petteri
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* Re: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
2009-05-31 13:35 ` Petteri Räty
@ 2009-06-01 3:14 ` Alec Warner
2009-06-01 3:50 ` Mike Frysinger
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From: Alec Warner @ 2009-06-01 3:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Petteri Räty; +Cc: Thomas Anderson, gentoo-council
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Thomas Anderson wrote:
>> Attached.
>>
>>
>
> Please use ISO 8601 in dates. In Finland the day comes before the month
> for example.
huh? YYYYMMDD is ISO 8601 (most significant to least)
>
> Regards,
> Petteri
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
2009-06-01 3:14 ` Alec Warner
@ 2009-06-01 3:50 ` Mike Frysinger
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From: Mike Frysinger @ 2009-06-01 3:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-council; +Cc: Alec Warner, Petteri Räty, Thomas Anderson
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On Sunday 31 May 2009 23:14:48 Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Thomas Anderson wrote:
> >> Attached.
> >
> > Please use ISO 8601 in dates. In Finland the day comes before the month
> > for example.
>
> huh? YYYYMMDD is ISO 8601 (most significant to least)
i think he means the subject line
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting
2009-05-31 13:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2009-06-01 7:13 ` Luca Barbato
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From: Luca Barbato @ 2009-06-01 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Ulrich Mueller; +Cc: Thomas Anderson, gentoo-council
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> - Handling EAPI Versioning in a forwards-compatible way.
>> [...]
>> The council voted on whether they recognized the problem that GLEP
>> 55 is attempting to solve is real. The vote was unanimous in recognition
>> of the problem.
>
> There where some abstentions, does the meaning of "unanimous" cover
> this?
And there were conditional yes...
lu
--
Luca Barbato
Gentoo Council Member
Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero
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