From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MAjcP-0008S4-1a for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:54:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 897D1E028D; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f135.google.com (mail-qy0-f135.google.com [209.85.221.135]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F27EE028D for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk41 with SMTP id 41so1494074qyk.32 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :user-agent; bh=Jl3SK+aDDdh2eBEbBAsRJ5SwwDe/L1tWWsGJKXC2DY8=; b=aZNu+gq9tV1vsAiRjZXVE0Ax4Koxh4XNrauZSLGbNJJMU/PzmEjIIldx26v5qrTWCW 5aPQ/il6sAIjY7bEo3kkKdekA93kt2z3i/i6D2ODGtYJYKnw14m5OpeC0qcvtH/LUWPy 7oFiTnje5pI6mM7Xsj7H4mfdDreQOkMdAos5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=o0ifVudy+8SEcncN/gzdAzLuUGig8gl+bpqjKXtFLkoc6REKpZWSwWr/nQG9ZXs0WA WAaBoU7ncptUhxiTuJCBnTzcnfvpFBhyN1UhDmcM7gZJ4AKsHcSP1S8lHBrHvhnDqE4w rnt978ZZa51RM1s4lImKGbHS3ZW+KNbaX+m4M= Received: by 10.224.20.85 with SMTP id e21mr4591421qab.43.1243770864112; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com ([68.46.138.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2544274qwk.30.2009.05.31.04.54.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 31 May 2009 04:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Anderson Received: by smtp.gmail.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1000 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) gentoofan23@gentoo.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 07:54:22 -0400 From: Thomas Anderson To: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-council] Initial Council summary for 04.28's meeting Message-ID: <20090531115422.GA27605@dodo.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Archives-Salt: 361d404d-03b7-4f5c-92d2-c3921eb03595 X-Archives-Hash: 8c81027590255fbc35db426493f847f2 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Attached. -- --------- Thomas Anderson Gentoo Developer ///////// Areas of responsibility: AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council --------- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="councilsummary-20090528.txt" Roll Call: =========== Betelgeuse: here Cardoe: here dertobi123: here dev-zero: here leio: here lu_zero: here tanderson(secretary): physically late, irc client logged everything ulm: here Topics: =========== - Filling the empty council seat. Donnie Berkholz resigned from the council so there is an empty spot that needs to be filled. ssuominen and ulm were tied for the next spot, but ssuominen relinquished his seat to ulm. To fill the spot, ulm needed to be unanimusly voted in by the current members. Conclusion: Unanimously voted to fill the seat. Ulrich Mueller will fill Donnie Berkholz's seat for the rest of the current term. - EAPI 3 status report from Zac Medico. No progress yet. Zac said he'd have a recent recruit of his work with him on it. Conclusion: Zac will work on EAPI 3 features with the help of his recruit. He will also blog about what features need to be done so the general community can pitch in. - Removal of Old Eclasses. Jorge(jmbsvicetto) requested that the council discuss removing eclasses from the tree that are no longer needed. The problem with this is that old(<2.1.4) portage versions used the eclasses from the tree to run uninstall phases. Thus, the removal of eclasses would break users who have a portage older than 2.1.4. Conclusion: The council voted that to remove eclasses devs should take the following steps: 1) Deprecate eclasses(warning) 2) Removal of all functionality relating to installing 3) After two years the eclass may be removed. Thomas Anderson(tanderson) will write up patches for devmanual so that this policy is documented. - Handling EAPI Versioning in a forwards-compatible way. Various developers have raised concerns that GLEP 55 only describes a solution and doesn't clearly show the problems being solved(if any). Luca(lu_zero) mentioned a few things in the "Problem" section that he thought could be clarified, listed below: 1) For "Change the behaviour of inherit in any way", it would be useful to include references to bugs where requested inherit changes would require GLEP 55. 2) For "Add new global scope functions in any way", defining 'Sane'. 3) For "Extend versioning rules in an EAPI", removal of all mentions of GLEP 54 would remove circularity. In addition, mentioning other version format changes would be useful. 4) For "Use newer bash features", listing useful(including in-tree) bash features not available in the bash version mandated by PMS would be useful. Conclusion: The council voted on whether they recognized the problem that GLEP 55 is attempting to solve is real. The vote was unanimous in recognition of the problem. --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft--