From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1La8NL-00027X-9c for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:51:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1CACE0253; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f157.google.com (mail-bw0-f157.google.com [209.85.218.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DB7E0253 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so1046011bwz.10 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:51:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=YhjWnteRRv6lvLRC5DTQmbroFA4kI8f7607HIGtLyoY=; b=cgbBTy8FTGQ6z5wM0sLupBw5O+AoVNLhSsZGXluXupSRnp6+CqL6kcpIt4HZWBKe2Q i+ch1uVwS+ILtOANz4KO6FyK2t2M7TYHjsz3dT29+KgrgxMCrZjvhL7PovelYTkU8vjN ulZYwei0nyGKiwutoF1lJEcj4nHPK2SYP+iws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=N+LeRKUlyMBMXR3XwCvPUA4V9LwFd6X7v0IFaiO/psmJ52fmb7BGV2EFhMBhuxn4uR 9abL2bRrYUCTWkoNEWSUwHPAqw0kR+6+B9Z35hr41d/S6e4wEdrBjOpeOCAFqmZoQKSG Ab17fIiABbBHvdBFJuub+XCJRxoKDlO070mHg= Received: by 10.103.175.8 with SMTP id c8mr416280mup.117.1235047892671; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowcone (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1923362uga.6.2009.02.19.04.51.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:51:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:51:24 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: Peter Volkov Cc: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Preliminary Meeting-Topics for 12 February 2009 Message-ID: <20090219125124.33eaa66c@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <1235037961.13198.779.camel@localhost> References: <1234257125.18160.2016.camel@localhost> <1234450419.20950.2.camel@localhost> <20090212160045.GB3642@comet> <20090212161644.GD3642@comet> <20090212162103.256b003f@snowcone> <20090212171055.GA3652@comet> <20090212172109.778fb268@snowcone> <20090212173743.GD3652@comet> <20090212180350.0d9a9df5@snowcone> <1235037961.13198.779.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/dw6cdqj_Pkz/iF+jACFdcDg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: bb0e0858-5d0c-46c8-b1fe-203ff951a0d3 X-Archives-Hash: 5d3cb300b3f24e98fa57f4e2df395295 --Sig_/dw6cdqj_Pkz/iF+jACFdcDg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:06:01 +0300 Peter Volkov wrote: > =D0=92 =D0=A7=D1=82=D0=B2, 12/02/2009 =D0=B2 18:03 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh= =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > GLEP 55 *is* the good, workable solution. There still haven't been > > legitimate any technical objections to it. >=20 > This issue was discussed already... [1] ...and there weren't any legitimate technical objections. > If you and think that EAPI is meta-information then it should not be > inside file name and then it's possible to parse ebuild and get EAPI > from some defined-format line. Performance penalties can be mitigated > by some new caching (you know better than me that it's good idea to > re-implement caching in any case). The only thing that can parse ebuilds is bash, and it can only do that once it already knows the EAPI. Another cache won't solve anything since there's no way to generate that cache to begin with -- and a second level of cache would slow things down, not speed them up. > We are already discussing this feature more than year. Many people > voiced concerns about .eapi extension so why don't you try fix same > issue differently? Yes it's harder and probably longer but I don't > believe it's impossible. Because all the alternatives are worse, and none of the objections to the extension have been technical in nature. They've all been "we don't want you to apply anti-mould paint to the rotting bikeshed because it's only available in brown". --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/dw6cdqj_Pkz/iF+jACFdcDg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmdVdAACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHyFgCgmx06B14ewjC8KIl9ojzwBvDq lssAni03cAOoUUlUex2yo0P8CksmFrbr =tzvT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/dw6cdqj_Pkz/iF+jACFdcDg--