From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXDvm-00010i-7p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:38:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99891E03A5; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1B9E03A5 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so1601535gxk.10 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:38:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; bh=710MuSTVddp7MHzQ3Y5YWcRifsHeUOhgDnbbeL++YAQ=; b=rJEpnMbYbVeNwqbhQfo+o5t0er1eH458Zo20cYmc/RfKSJWX5yyx0ps0tGPOjajTec FuCv29zjL5lKNtJjIOAhWPa1llEnKTLxYjpfzcBaFIPikynesruZNe9P9mWdnHjKh16I dUPGzeLRYYtnsOSOBUKmn3Bnvtsf854AM4o3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:sender; b=CRlbL3ZfeavvGayZzW7ApkpTZHUvayMuqpX25w/Emn2o5knbGszwc030k0Wx4NP+Uq jdXpaKwmi/1viYtcpKxurrfTajlYdu7HX7WvsjLn6Shc0kjVgc/DKK33LcLYoah1CxWt IrTpM2tJAzA00MxfwL8j1vRhKdMdw8OZbn/7k= Received: by 10.150.133.17 with SMTP id g17mr5134178ybd.21.1219577928752; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com ( [69.249.154.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4284475yxl.8.2008.08.24.04.38.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) gentoofan23@gentoo.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:54:25 -0400 From: Thomas Anderson To: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Decision on recent developer retirements Message-ID: <20080824115425.GA4692@spoc.mpa.com> References: <20080821001141.GA27708@aerie.halcy0n.com> <20080823113935.GB6392@spoc.mpa.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080823113935.GB6392@spoc.mpa.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Thomas Anderson X-Archives-Salt: 9eef3001-4591-4de0-b0fc-baba00bbde01 X-Archives-Hash: 5fb733cb056b5e7a64957394a1182ec8 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 07:39:35AM -0400, Thomas Anderson wrote: > Let me see if I understand the council's reasoning... >=20 > If dev A gets retired by devrel for insufficient reasons(what those > reasons are are irrelevant to this discussion), and his behaviour does > not change after his retirement(as he never had wrong behaviour), then > dev A's appeal is rejected? >=20 > Now, some may say that this is the reason Council reviewed the > evidence(did that really happen?). To prove my point, I'd like to ask > the council(and anyone else interested in devrel/council policy) > what reasons it found, looking through the evidence > provided, that any of the three developers were a security risk, I > certainly didn't see any.=20 >=20 > Needless to say, I'm very disappointed in this decision. >=20 > Please keep discussion on gentoo-project. >=20 >=20 > Regards, > Thomas To Clear up confusion expressed by at least one person, my Mail wasn't just= about myself being confused about the wording of the announcement email. It was about my frustration at the Council's decision because their supposed procedure for appeals didn't happen in this case. In Philantrop's case at least, his behaviour since the retirement has been almost perfect(a devrel member even asserted this), yet his appeal was rejected. --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkixS/EACgkQF6yMcaBxwHk+dQCgmod0x2uljKUOwVrJeIZJKoiq 1IsAnRQCBVl1P0E2noTCw84vMEwJAjm4 =KcM1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N--