From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NJBl9-0007OA-7L for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:06:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CCE50E059C for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3053BE0949; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.0/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nBBIEda4006008; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:39 +0100 Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nBBIEdds016035; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:39 +0100 Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nBBIEd1D016032; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:39 +0100 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19234.35855.201822.274984@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:14:39 +0100 To: Ciaran McCreesh Cc: Brian Harring , gentoo-pms@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-pms] kdebuild-1 conditionales In-Reply-To: <20091211174339.6489c086@snowmobile> References: <20091210214848.7d070ab2@gentoo.org> <20091210222730.5df0df14@snowmobile> <20091211081754.GA6529@hrair> <20091211135750.1c24a3fd@snowmobile> <19234.23228.586356.915011@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20091211170245.053f6f16@snowmobile> <19234.32055.471891.86138@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20091211171814.76d7e286@snowmobile> <19234.33425.281151.673508@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20091211174339.6489c086@snowmobile> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12 under 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) From: Ulrich Mueller X-Archives-Salt: 6fb650c8-23f6-4f20-853d-833c7f712dc2 X-Archives-Hash: 03b3540882f94b949a5fb456405cb8c0 >>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I shall remind you, the Council-approved process for PMS changes is > to send them to this list, and if unanimous agreement can't be > reached, then to escalate the issue to the Council. > [...] > Sorry, but the Council-approved procedure is that patches get sent > to this list and don't get committed until there aren't objections. > We don't commit things until everyone's happy with them. Can you provide a reference for the above please? > * When did it become policy to use the newest EAPI for ebuilds? I > must've missed that becoming policy -- last I heard, policy was to > use the oldest EAPI that provides everything you need to write a > good ebuild. I agree on this one. > * Since PMS became 'suitable for use', we've never committed works > in progress to master. We've always used branches for EAPI > definitions that aren't complete, and we've never committed EAPIs > that haven't had their wording approved by the Council to master. > Why are we changing this policy? Where was this policy change > discussed? It's not very helpful to generalise. Let's look at the details, namely Christian's commits instead: - "Change minimum required Bash version from 3.0 to 3.2" This is a patch prepared by tanderson, and fauli only fixed a technical problem (footnotes) with LaTeX. I happen to have a log of the discussion in #-dev. Also from your comments in bug 292646 I got the impression that you had no objections to the change? > * Why is disabling kdebuild-1 by default helpful? Why not take the > reasonable steps already mentioned first, to ensure that the change > does not have adverse impact? - "Disable kdebuild-1 by default" This just changes a binary flag from true to false, namely it disables inclusion of kdebuild in the output document. How can this change have any adverse impact? Ulrich