From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFbH-0001Sk-SL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:48:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A5C7E0859; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EF6E0859 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de [134.93.134.92]) by a1iwww1.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.0/8.13.4) with ESMTP id nB6BmDdM025397; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:48:13 +0100 Received: from a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id nB6BmD7M011018; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:48:13 +0100 Received: (from ulm@localhost) by a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nB6BmDJX011015; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:48:13 +0100 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19227.39421.169489.877878@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:48:13 +0100 To: Denis Dupeyron Cc: gentoo-council Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Agenda for the meeting of December 7th, 2009 In-Reply-To: <7c612fc60912052340m49ec09b9u799a61192c11645b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c612fc60912052340m49ec09b9u799a61192c11645b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12 under 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) From: Ulrich Mueller X-Archives-Salt: efc1d510-b98a-4d1e-a34c-54ad79fdf1e6 X-Archives-Hash: 1e4541866b756996152f48c052d5433f >>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > 4. GLEPs 58, 59, 60 and 61 (15 minutes) > Read more about this as well as a nice summary at [3]. Vote for or > against each of these 4 GLEPs. If voting against please suggest > improvements and/or alternatives. Shouldn't GLEP 57 be included in this list (although it's only informational)? > 5. mtime preservation (15 minutes) > Three alternatives have been proposed: > 5.1. The package manager must preserve modification times of regular files. > This includes files being compressed before merging. Exceptions to this > are: > - Files newly created by the package manager > - Binary object files being stripped of symbols > - Maybe others In case we accept 5.1., I suggest that we delegate it to the Portage team to produce a list (which can also be empty) of the "maybe others" files. > Depending on the exact wording and exceptions this can be > made equivalent to 5.3 below. Right, that's the intention of it. We should also consider including this in EAPI 0 retroactively, as suggested by Zac in [1]. Look at the following sequence of events: 2007-07-28 Portage 2.1.3 is released, preserving mtimes when merging (if release candidates are counted, then the date is even earlier [2]). 2008-05-08 PMS allows that file modification times are discarded. [3] > Note that none of these propositions have a solution for subsecond > resolution requirements. But note also that no package could be > identified as having such requirement yet. Do we care? I don't. Ulrich [1] [2] [3]