From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L28tC-00033l-2M for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27F30E039C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.libexec.de (omega.libexec.de [85.214.68.240]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F173CE039C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.libexec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEB4400E; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:27:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at libexec.de Received: from mail.libexec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (omega.libexec.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQgPtZsLCAQQ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:27:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.60] (dslb-088-076-149-240.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.76.149.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: tobias) by mail.libexec.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E95554002; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:27:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Re: Stepping back from council duties From: Tobias Scherbaum To: Donnie Berkholz Cc: Ferris McCormick , gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20081117175525.GA23297@comet> References: <491EF351.8040200@gentoo.org> <20081116060043.GD23210@comet> <20081116124154.TA6c518.tv@veller.net> <20081116175546.GH23210@comet> <20081116182110.6d1295ac@anaconda.krait.us> <1226860843.3922.61.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <20081117161547.GA29951@comet> <1226944170.3939.12.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <20081117175525.GA23297@comet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WIZvg9kGTyvZsrApMsp8" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:31:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1226946713.3939.47.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Archives-Salt: 3d992814-1cb5-41f9-98fe-c5a5123e517d X-Archives-Hash: dc91ae96b5d0e02134f2478854b4a9c9 --=-WIZvg9kGTyvZsrApMsp8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 18:49 Mon 17 Nov , Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > > So we could end up with only 1 council member in the worst case? ;) >=20 > Yes, although worst is a matter of definition. If the developer=20 > community wants what is effectively a benevolent dictator, then let's=20 > give it to them. This is, after all, a community distribution so we=20 > should do what the community wants. That would lead us to completely new (or old) leadership model. If I was to vote on a council I'd like to get a council, not a benevolent dictator.=20 > > I don't think that's something we really want. >=20 > The majority of developers should choose what kind of leadership they=20 > want, instead of us deciding for them. I'm speaking for myself here - I personally don't want a dictatorship. > > In my opinion we need to have at minimum 5 council members to make=20 > > sure there's some kind of redundancy plus to get different views and=20 > > ideas on issues brought up to the council. >=20 > Anyone can contribute views and ideas ... why do you need to be on the=20 > council to do that? Most of the issues are discussed on -dev, and I've=20 > pushed to make that a requirement and meetings as primarily just votes. Discussions on a proposal are only one part, but it needs to be voted upon that proposal. Having a larger council makes sure a broader part of the developer community and there views are represented in that decision making. Again, that's my personal opinion - I'm clearly in favor of the democratic approach instead of a dictatorship model. Tobias --=-WIZvg9kGTyvZsrApMsp8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkkhuJkACgkQX2bdwDDA8AW0WwCeK47Qqmf1/yM6GNOkab4Q1pZg k90An3mOWGDlsMB7zRDMlFGUTdP/zZDz =jxbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WIZvg9kGTyvZsrApMsp8--