From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JPjvW-0000YT-Fi for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:39:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9906AE074B; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CDFE074B for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.20.111] (unknown [69.80.192.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BED65313; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] CoC: informal enforcement From: Ned Ludd To: Donnie Berkholz Cc: Ferris McCormick , gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20080214173141.GA3768@comet.science.oregonstate.edu> References: <20080214101334.GA9749@supernova> <1202992583.6251.4.camel@liasis.inforead.com> <20080214173141.GA3768@comet.science.oregonstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:39:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1203017959.4132.0.camel@hangover> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ae88c135-dacb-46f5-89f4-62ae450f7cc8 X-Archives-Hash: 871a57ac7d008b1ce370293bbae1d53f On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 09:31 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 12:36 Thu 14 Feb , Ferris McCormick wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 02:13 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > What I want to do is build a core culture of people who refuse to > > > tolerate assholes. We can do this by getting together a small group > > > who will reply to any gentoo-dev posts or #gentoo-dev comments by > > > people who are being jerks, telling them that they're being a jerk > > > and not replying to the substance of the jerk's post at all. Replies > > > to the substance of a post would come separately or not at all. > > > Having a group of people reply to hostile posters should begin > > > rebuilding a culture that doesn't tolerate that type of action. > > > > > > People who are consistently jerks are incompetent developers and > > > should be treated as such. > > > > Nice idea and worth a try. I have one concern. Since we are talking > > CoC here, I'd like to emphasise that "assholeness" should be > > determined within the guidelines of the CoC. Not by some person's own > > conception of "assholeness" --- I'd hate to see a flame war about just > > who is being the asshole in any particular instance. > > You make a good point. The CoC [1] is subject to some level of > interpretation, and I think that these two provisions pretty much > provide for what I'm suggesting: > > Be courteous. Though respect is earned, it must start somewhere. > Respect someones right for their own opinion and acknowledge that they > do deserve a measure of politeness in your response. > > Respectfully disagree with or challenge other members. The operative > word here is respectfully. > > One thought I've had is that once we get this small group of people, we > could talk in an IRC channel about whether a particular instance > qualifies before responding. > > Thanks, > Donnie > > 1. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml So in other words.. proctors all over again.. -- Ned Ludd Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org mailing list