* [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/foundation/en/minutes09/2009: 20091115_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@ 2009-12-08 20:30 Robin H. Johnson (robbat2)
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Add the log for the meeting I missed, and also link to the agenda for december.
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 15 11:03:04 2009
Nov 15 11:03:04 * quantumsummers thinks its meeting time
Nov 15 11:03:47 tsunam aye
Nov 15 11:04:00 quantumsummers hi there tsunam :)
Nov 15 11:04:59 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: got your beer?
Nov 15 11:05:15 * NeddySeagoon is back
Nov 15 11:05:32 NeddySeagoon sorry I'm late ... there was a huge queue
Nov 15 11:05:32 dabbott Mrs. NeddySeagoon made him walk to the store.
Nov 15 11:05:51 quantumsummers :) that be the life
Nov 15 11:06:15 * quantumsummers looks around for robbat2|na
Nov 15 11:06:17 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, dabbott you want to chair - I've still not caught up
Nov 15 11:06:47 quantumsummers dabbott, why don't you take a turn?
Nov 15 11:07:10 dabbott quantumsummers, not as yet
Nov 15 11:07:23 quantumsummers please do, if you want
Nov 15 11:08:04 dabbott quantumsummers, maybe later
Nov 15 11:08:14 quantumsummers alrighty then
Nov 15 11:08:37 quantumsummers 1. Roll Call
Nov 15 11:08:51 * quantumsummers is in situ
Nov 15 11:08:52 tsunam here
Nov 15 11:08:56 dabbott here
Nov 15 11:09:00 * NeddySeagoon is here
Nov 15 11:09:49 quantumsummers Motion: propose waiting 5 mins for robbat2|na to show up, as #2 deps on him
Nov 15 11:10:07 tsunam thats fine with me
Nov 15 11:10:17 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, that will 15 min but I'm ok with that
Nov 15 11:10:18 dabbott ok
Nov 15 11:10:51 quantumsummers motion carried.
Nov 15 11:11:17 * weirdedout (n=gonePost@220-253-17-62.VIC.netspace.net.au) has joined #gentoo-trustees
Nov 15 11:11:17 * ChanServ gives voice to weirdedout
Nov 15 11:15:18 quantumsummers alright. 3: old business
Nov 15 11:15:26 quantumsummers Treasurers Report - tsunam
Nov 15 11:15:44 quantumsummers how's the year ender coming along tsunam?
Nov 15 11:15:52 tsunam Q1 2010, we had income of 1901.57. Of which 1833.28 came in paypal donations and 68.29 in interest
Nov 15 11:16:02 NeddySeagoon 2010 ?
Nov 15 11:16:13 tsunam yes..yes.. we're in fy2010
Nov 15 11:16:26 tsunam due to june being the end of fy2009
Nov 15 11:16:30 tsunam its fy2010 for us
Nov 15 11:16:33 NeddySeagoon Oh yeah. Our FY ends in June
Nov 15 11:16:37 tsunam yes...
Nov 15 11:16:43 * tsunam bonks NeddySeagoon
Nov 15 11:16:49 quantumsummers that is solid income
Nov 15 11:17:25 tsunam expenses for q1 were 2151.59 for events, (500 for donation in ferris's name) and the 1651.59 for travel expenses for SOC
Nov 15 11:17:37 NeddySeagoon anything from the Gentoo store ?
Nov 15 11:17:44 tsunam nope
Nov 15 11:17:55 tsunam have not transfered any funds from the store in a while
Nov 15 11:17:59 tsunam I will talk with musikc about that
Nov 15 11:18:12 tsunam we also purchased a Efika MX this quarter
Nov 15 11:18:35 tsunam the SOC expenses will be reimbursed by Google soon
Nov 15 11:18:47 quantumsummers indeed, when can we expect the reimburse?
Nov 15 11:19:06 tsunam I need to confirm with donnie
Nov 15 11:19:30 quantumsummers also I talked with donnie & he spoke with the gsoc coordinator about back payment to gentoo
Nov 15 11:19:46 quantumsummers he stated they were amenable to settling up
Nov 15 11:19:55 quantumsummers which would be quite nice
Nov 15 11:20:06 tsunam *nods*
Nov 15 11:20:16 tsunam that covers my report
Nov 15 11:20:17 quantumsummers tsunam: please ask him about that when you chat with him.
Nov 15 11:20:22 quantumsummers how about report for fy09
Nov 15 11:20:40 tsunam though I'd given the full year report last month
Nov 15 11:21:04 NeddySeagoon and even 2008 ... or was that completed while I wasn't paying attention?
Nov 15 11:21:45 tsunam I've not made anything for full years on the sites yet. As the requirements are to report quarterly
Nov 15 11:21:49 tsunam as a NFP
Nov 15 11:21:58 NeddySeagoon ok
Nov 15 11:21:59 tsunam yearly would only be for us if really wanted/needed
Nov 15 11:22:37 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 11:22:38 NeddySeagoon I'm used to the UK way when everyone posts annual accounts
Nov 15 11:23:29 quantumsummers Banking - tsunam; anything new here?
Nov 15 11:23:36 tsunam quantumsummers: nope nothing new
Nov 15 11:23:40 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 11:23:41 quantumsummers SFLC Engagement Letter Update - quantumsummers
Nov 15 11:24:07 NeddySeagoon isn't it all wrapped up? we have a bank and we recovered our funds ?
Nov 15 11:24:49 quantumsummers meeting early next week with sflc, I'll email the details on Monday. I am also mailing a paper copy to them on Monday/
Nov 15 11:25:21 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: yes, I think banking is done now. dabbott we can remove it from the agenda for the next meeting
Nov 15 11:25:32 dabbott ok
Nov 15 11:25:44 quantumsummers Meeting Minutes Need Updating - robbat2|na -------skip until he arrives
Nov 15 11:25:49 quantumsummers Gentoo 10 Live DVD For Sale Update - dabbott
Nov 15 11:26:22 NeddySeagoon Can we ensure that trustees are copied on all SFLC correspondence. I'm a little nervous of a single point of failure
Nov 15 11:26:38 dabbott quantumsummers, do you have the latest agenda http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes09/2009/200911_trustees_agenda.xml
Nov 15 11:26:57 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: that is the plan. anything that has any importance I plan to CC trustees@
Nov 15 11:27:11 quantumsummers dabbott: no I had the one in /topic
Nov 15 11:27:37 * quantumsummers gets back on track with the updated agenda
Nov 15 11:27:47 quantumsummers Updating Registration in NM - tsunam
Nov 15 11:27:57 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, works for me as long as there are no other addresses on trustees@
Nov 15 11:28:24 quantumsummers I could just as easily email each of us individually
Nov 15 11:28:24 tsunam will be sending in the paperwork monday given the chance. Just so everyone is aware, its due in july of every year
Nov 15 11:28:44 quantumsummers tsunam: ok, good to know.
Nov 15 11:28:50 * quantumsummers puts it on the calendar
Nov 15 11:28:57 NeddySeagoon tsunam, do we have to pay penalties ?
Nov 15 11:29:04 tsunam 20 bucks
Nov 15 11:29:05 tsunam so yes
Nov 15 11:29:44 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, I think individual emails works better
Nov 15 11:29:52 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: will do
Nov 15 11:30:24 quantumsummers ok, thanks for taking care of that tsunam
Nov 15 11:30:49 quantumsummers ok, to me: sflc engagement is basically done
Nov 15 11:30:59 quantumsummers Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers
Nov 15 11:31:41 quantumsummers I would like to setup a meeting with the CPA sometime in the next 30 days
Nov 15 11:32:03 quantumsummers tsunam: is there an easy way to get our entire paypal history?
Nov 15 11:32:10 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, who do you need from our end. just you ?
Nov 15 11:32:24 tsunam quantumsummers: well you had everything minus the last quater or two sent to you once
Nov 15 11:32:36 tsunam as you forwarded that onto her
Nov 15 11:32:42 quantumsummers I can manage the meeting, but if anyone wants to join, that would be nice
Nov 15 11:32:59 quantumsummers tsunam: that went back only about 2 years
Nov 15 11:33:21 tsunam quantumsummers: nah I had sent you all the stuff from 2005 that the account covers
Nov 15 11:33:29 tsunam but it'll take me time/effort to get them all again
Nov 15 11:33:38 tsunam but it can be done again
Nov 15 11:34:02 quantumsummers tsunam: I'll look back over what I have on Monday, don't worry about it for now
Nov 15 11:34:13 quantumsummers you are likely correct
Nov 15 11:34:20 quantumsummers I haven't looked it over in some time
Nov 15 11:34:45 quantumsummers once we get the ball rolling on the 501c3, the CPA will need to be more invilved
Nov 15 11:34:50 quantumsummers *involved
Nov 15 11:35:10 tsunam *nods*
Nov 15 11:35:13 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, get a quote - we will need to pay for services
Nov 15 11:35:59 NeddySeagoon the fees can't keep getting lost in yur bill
Nov 15 11:36:03 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: that is the plan, but the one I have been working with will charge us about $1000 for a year
Nov 15 11:36:18 quantumsummers they can do the reports too
Nov 15 11:36:25 quantumsummers formal ones, & our taxes
Nov 15 11:36:37 quantumsummers which is really important after we have 501c3
Nov 15 11:36:42 NeddySeagoon seems like a bargin for that price
Nov 15 11:36:43 tsunam aye
Nov 15 11:36:45 dabbott quantumsummers, when you talk to SFLC get a couple more cpa firms to get quotes from
Nov 15 11:36:47 quantumsummers its a good deal
Nov 15 11:36:59 quantumsummers dabbott: I will discuss that, sure
Nov 15 11:37:10 quantumsummers see if they have someone they recommend.
Nov 15 11:37:29 quantumsummers however, I do like the current cpa firm, they are quite nice & very accessibgle
Nov 15 11:37:40 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, we need to show we competed the work to show good value for money to auditors. We do not have to go with the lowest cost quote
Nov 15 11:37:58 quantumsummers anyway, I'll get that going next week as well
Nov 15 11:38:02 NeddySeagoon ta
Nov 15 11:38:06 quantumsummers we're in good shape
Nov 15 11:38:34 quantumsummers hey, my wife just asked me to do something real quick. back in 30s ... sorry
Nov 15 11:39:27 quantumsummers k
Nov 15 11:39:35 quantumsummers little longer than 30s
Nov 15 11:39:48 quantumsummers anything else on the CPA, questions comments
Nov 15 11:39:50 quantumsummers ?
Nov 15 11:39:59 NeddySeagoon nothing from me
Nov 15 11:40:09 dabbott nothing here
Nov 15 11:40:20 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 11:40:20 quantumsummers Knowledge Management - quantumsummers
Nov 15 11:40:57 quantumsummers big things coming in this area, we are days away from beta launch of our flagship system.
Nov 15 11:41:11 dabbott sweet
Nov 15 11:41:16 quantumsummers as in it has to be in place by Wednesday
Nov 15 11:41:24 quantumsummers so, that should be fun
Nov 15 11:41:59 quantumsummers I'll send the invites this week
Nov 15 11:42:44 quantumsummers any pony requests?
Nov 15 11:42:53 NeddySeagoon ??
Nov 15 11:42:57 NeddySeagoon pony ?
Nov 15 11:43:10 quantumsummers lol, yeah, as in I wanna *
Nov 15 11:43:35 quantumsummers are there any feature requests
Nov 15 11:43:59 NeddySeagoon let us play with it ... then we can tell you :)
Nov 15 11:44:05 quantumsummers we have instruments for just about everything, so ... ok
Nov 15 11:44:09 quantumsummers :)
Nov 15 11:44:09 dabbott yep
Nov 15 11:44:20 quantumsummers ok robbat2|na is still away
Nov 15 11:44:34 quantumsummers so on to
Nov 15 11:44:34 quantumsummers 4. Open Bugs
Nov 15 11:44:40 NeddySeagoon On robbat2|na stuff ...
Nov 15 11:44:48 quantumsummers yes?
Nov 15 11:45:16 armin76 i want an armv7 board
Nov 15 11:45:40 * armin76 suggests the gentoo foundation makes a deal with ARM.com
Nov 15 11:45:45 armin76 quick!
Nov 15 11:45:48 NeddySeagoon Are we going to sell ad space? wltjr suggested this about 18 months ago and was well flamed on -dev. Donnie sent an email remining about the historical perspective
Nov 15 11:45:50 quantumsummers armin76: lol, please wait til open floor :P
Nov 15 11:46:04 dabbott quantumsummers, there is your pony request :)
Nov 15 11:46:13 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: I can state that I have written the rotating side bar thing & am awaiting code review and deployment from infra
Nov 15 11:46:22 quantumsummers already did the hard work there
Nov 15 11:46:27 tsunam k
Nov 15 11:46:38 quantumsummers its on g.o.g.o/proj.gentoo-ads.git
Nov 15 11:46:42 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, I am wondering how the rest of Gentoo feels.
Nov 15 11:46:49 quantumsummers that is /proj/gentoo-ads.git
Nov 15 11:47:31 NeddySeagoon I'm OK with major Gentoo users getting an ad but ads just for money, I'm not so sure
Nov 15 11:47:34 quantumsummers I think that we need to make it a case by case basis for choosing who we allow into the sidebar
Nov 15 11:47:47 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, exactly
Nov 15 11:48:02 dabbott some kind of accountability
Nov 15 11:48:04 quantumsummers we will find that, once we have 501c3, we will have more of this to deal with
Nov 15 11:48:29 quantumsummers perhaps we should establish some criteria for acceptibility
Nov 15 11:48:48 NeddySeagoon I'm just mindful of the flames early last year ... do we want to put it to a vote of members ?
Nov 15 11:49:16 dabbott I say yes
Nov 15 11:49:18 quantumsummers also note, that the thing I wrote will handle some fancy weighting, so we can control behavior pretty well, in the sense that we can tier things, etc
Nov 15 11:49:45 NeddySeagoon dabbott, yes as in just do it, or yes put it to a vote ?
Nov 15 11:50:02 dabbott I think we should put it to a vote
Nov 15 11:50:22 quantumsummers if we look at other OSS foundations, they appear to accept funds from just about anyone, but the advert space is a real premium dedicated to important donors
Nov 15 11:50:31 NeddySeagoon dabbott, thats not as easy as it sounds as only foundation members would be able to vote
Nov 15 11:50:54 NeddySeagoon thats another can of worms
Nov 15 11:51:25 quantumsummers how so, robbat2|na had the idea that we weight things based on a bogomip number
Nov 15 11:51:39 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, thats what Donnies email implied
Nov 15 11:51:52 quantumsummers we can calc an equivalent for $$ donations
Nov 15 11:52:22 quantumsummers in theory we could easily have 100s of ads in the thing & only the ones with the highest weight would be seen constently
Nov 15 11:52:44 NeddySeagoon I'm not againt the idea but I don't want it to be the cause of a split between the Foundation and Gentoo
Nov 15 11:53:31 quantumsummers hmm, yes I understand. we certainly do not want that. though it is gentoo that benefits from the foundation bringing in$
Nov 15 11:53:44 dabbott We need to ask some way what the members and developers want done
Nov 15 11:53:53 quantumsummers we could ask them
Nov 15 11:53:59 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, most of the argument will not be rational
Nov 15 11:54:27 quantumsummers that is a bummer
Nov 15 11:54:35 quantumsummers ok, so we just need some criteria
Nov 15 11:55:14 NeddySeagoon we could set up a vote by the next meeting. Recording date of 1 Dec. (in case people want to join to vote) and a couple of weeks for the vote
Nov 15 11:55:47 quantumsummers I'd be fine with that
Nov 15 11:55:47 quantumsummers seems that if
Nov 15 11:55:47 quantumsummers 1. the donor uses gentoo +1
Nov 15 11:55:47 quantumsummers 2. the donor employs gentoo uses or devs +1
Nov 15 11:56:05 NeddySeagoon Critera ... that major Gentoo users be permitted to purchase ads on the sidebar
Nov 15 11:56:05 dabbott NeddySeagoon, that sounds good
Nov 15 11:56:52 NeddySeagoon what "major" means is up to us
Nov 15 11:57:05 quantumsummers that is where tiers come in
Nov 15 11:57:14 NeddySeagoon wfm
Nov 15 11:58:03 quantumsummers we can easily establish tiers based on this bogomip concept
Nov 15 11:58:11 quantumsummers and its equiv $ value
Nov 15 11:58:22 NeddySeagoon its not the detail quantumsummers its the yes/no to the ideal
Nov 15 11:58:56 quantumsummers I see. it seems that there is already a yes to the ideal, as evidenced by the existing side bar
Nov 15 11:59:24 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, thats always been major sponsors providing hosting
Nov 15 11:59:37 NeddySeagoon now we want top open it up to users
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 15 12:00:24 2009
Nov 15 12:00:24 quantumsummers or to other types of support
Nov 15 12:00:25 NeddySeagoon They will not be placing ads for hosting
Nov 15 12:01:11 quantumsummers motion: lets put it to a vote of the membership.
Nov 15 12:01:23 quantumsummers any seconds?
Nov 15 12:01:31 dabbott second
Nov 15 12:01:31 NeddySeagoon seconded
Nov 15 12:01:50 NeddySeagoon Vote
Nov 15 12:01:54 NeddySeagoon +1
Nov 15 12:01:59 dabbott yes
Nov 15 12:02:01 tsunam yes
Nov 15 12:02:18 NeddySeagoon cariied
Nov 15 12:02:31 NeddySeagoon Wording for the ballot ...
Nov 15 12:03:08 NeddySeagoon Should major Gentoo users be permitted to purchase ads on the sidebar - Vote yes or No
Nov 15 12:04:44 * quantumsummers is happy with that
Nov 15 12:04:47 dabbott May be explain major
Nov 15 12:05:20 quantumsummers how much $$ does it take to get on there?
Nov 15 12:06:45 NeddySeagoon something similar to the value of the hosting existing advertises provide.
Nov 15 12:06:48 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: we need to involve the elections proj on this right?
Nov 15 12:06:56 NeddySeagoon robbat2|na, was working out what that was likely to be
Nov 15 12:07:01 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 12:07:15 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, yep - they are not responing to my ping right now
Nov 15 12:08:32 quantumsummers alrighty. are we ready to move on then?
Nov 15 12:08:45 NeddySeagoon We may need an extrodinary one topic meeting at the end of November to approve new members
Nov 15 12:08:57 NeddySeagoon Summary ...
Nov 15 12:09:20 NeddySeagoon Put to the vote of the membership that major Gentoo users be permitted to purchase ads on the sidebar
Nov 15 12:10:11 NeddySeagoon Timescale. Recording date. 1st Dec. Polls close 11 Dec, so we can get a count before our next meeting
Nov 15 12:10:43 NeddySeagoon Is that ok ?
Nov 15 12:10:55 quantumsummers yes, perfect
Nov 15 12:11:08 dabbott yes
Nov 15 12:11:40 NeddySeagoon I'll post on -project and -dev-annouce, in case anyone wants to join to vote
Nov 15 12:11:53 quantumsummers very good sir
Nov 15 12:12:01 quantumsummers thank you
Nov 15 12:12:08 dabbott Should Gentoo users be permitted to purchase ads on the sidebar if they contribute similar to the value that the existing advertises provide, the donor uses Gentoo. - Vote yes or No
Nov 15 12:12:51 NeddySeagoon dabbott, I was going to make it simpler, so that the definitions were left to us on a case by case basis
Nov 15 12:13:33 quantumsummers exactly
Nov 15 12:13:41 dabbott Ok :)
Nov 15 12:13:55 NeddySeagoon We don't need the ballot words right now
Nov 15 12:14:10 quantumsummers it is rather likely that we will have to add to this policy over time anyway, best to keep it simple for now
Nov 15 12:14:17 NeddySeagoon yep
Nov 15 12:14:29 NeddySeagoon OK, that was all I had on that topic
Nov 15 12:14:36 quantumsummers ready to move to open bugs?
Nov 15 12:14:41 NeddySeagoon yes
Nov 15 12:14:48 dabbott yes
Nov 15 12:15:05 quantumsummers bug 239302
Nov 15 12:15:07 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/239302 "wrong description of Gentoo Vendors site and strange reference to Gentoo Store"; Doc Other, Other; NEW; micm@g.o:trustees@g.o
Nov 15 12:15:39 dabbott really need robbat2|na for this, I did put together http://dev.gentoo.org/~dabbott/pr/where.xml
Nov 15 12:15:46 NeddySeagoon didn't robbat2|na commit that page ?
Nov 15 12:16:11 quantumsummers looks that way'
Nov 15 12:16:16 quantumsummers http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/stores.xml
Nov 15 12:16:43 NeddySeagoon lets close the bug then
Nov 15 12:16:55 NeddySeagoon dabbott, that works for me
Nov 15 12:17:03 quantumsummers http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml was updated 12 OCT
Nov 15 12:17:30 quantumsummers http://vendors.gentoo.org/
Nov 15 12:17:33 quantumsummers this is all messed up
Nov 15 12:17:41 dabbott but it is not done
Nov 15 12:17:46 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 12:18:10 dabbott here is an example vendors page http://dev.gentoo.org/~dabbott/pr/vendors.xml
Nov 15 12:18:13 NeddySeagoon dabbott, do you have commit access to fix it ?
Nov 15 12:18:27 quantumsummers looks like its shaping up
Nov 15 12:18:30 quantumsummers dabbott: mind closing the above bug?
Nov 15 12:18:37 NeddySeagoon dabbott, that look ok
Nov 15 12:18:53 dabbott and vendors.g.0 needs to go
Nov 15 12:19:21 * NeddySeagoon nudges dabbott to make the commit
Nov 15 12:19:21 quantumsummers yes it does, perhaps file a bug on that
Nov 15 12:19:22 dabbott robbat2|na, has access
Nov 15 12:19:46 dabbott Ok I will close the one and open another
Nov 15 12:19:53 NeddySeagoon ok
Nov 15 12:19:55 quantumsummers excellent
Nov 15 12:19:57 quantumsummers bug 284224
Nov 15 12:19:59 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o
Nov 15 12:20:14 tsunam pending confirmation from donnie
Nov 15 12:20:19 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 12:20:20 tsunam once he confirms then it'll be closed
Nov 15 12:20:28 quantumsummers great
Nov 15 12:20:33 quantumsummers bug 287859
Nov 15 12:20:35 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/287859 "[Unlicenced Vendor] linuxcd.org"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o
Nov 15 12:20:56 quantumsummers shall I send them a C&D?
Nov 15 12:21:10 quantumsummers friendly version :D
Nov 15 12:21:56 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, what are they selling? are they doing it for profit
Nov 15 12:22:46 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: $5 a dvd
Nov 15 12:23:01 dabbott I am not so sure we need to put a lot of time into C&D
Nov 15 12:23:05 NeddySeagoon is that at profit in the USA ?
Nov 15 12:23:21 quantumsummers I'd say it is, but a real slim margin on that
Nov 15 12:23:44 quantumsummers hey, they even have my name on the description
Nov 15 12:23:53 NeddySeagoon Get them to acknowledge our marks is all.
Nov 15 12:24:31 quantumsummers http://www.linuxcd.org/view_distro.php?id_distro=12
Nov 15 12:24:36 quantumsummers interesting setup
Nov 15 12:25:14 quantumsummers I'll contact them
Nov 15 12:25:18 NeddySeagoon get then to take down 2007 and 2008
Nov 15 12:25:56 NeddySeagoon and all the old stuff ... hmm they have more history than we do P)
Nov 15 12:26:14 quantumsummers yeah, lol
Nov 15 12:26:24 quantumsummers I just updated that bug
Nov 15 12:26:34 quantumsummers bug 288626
Nov 15 12:26:36 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vender List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o
Nov 15 12:27:02 NeddySeagoon yeah, looks like a plan
Nov 15 12:27:15 quantumsummers sounds like there is progress here
Nov 15 12:27:52 quantumsummers set a check on that item for next meeting
Nov 15 12:28:30 dabbott I was thinking later, the Live DVD is getting really good 10.2-r4 is nice
Nov 15 12:29:01 dabbott likewhoa is making it better and better all the time
Nov 15 12:29:10 NeddySeagoon does cafepress still not do DVDs ?
Nov 15 12:29:56 dabbott we talked about it last meeting, it was not worth it, no profit
Nov 15 12:30:06 quantumsummers yes, I recall that
Nov 15 12:30:07 NeddySeagoon ok
Nov 15 12:30:10 quantumsummers we'll check in on progress & the next meeting
Nov 15 12:30:18 quantumsummers s/&/@
Nov 15 12:30:24 dabbott we can set up something with another vendor we chose
Nov 15 12:30:31 quantumsummers cool.
Nov 15 12:30:37 quantumsummers 5. New Business
Nov 15 12:30:45 quantumsummers Oliver Giesectk (Channel Plus Ltd.)
Nov 15 12:30:53 NeddySeagoon we have an application from a DVD vendor ... maybe combine the two. They were going to get back to us
Nov 15 12:31:22 NeddySeagoon We need the results of the vote we just agreed to
Nov 15 12:31:25 quantumsummers yes
Nov 15 12:31:45 quantumsummers postpone decision on Oliver Giesectk (Channel Plus Ltd.) pending vote
Nov 15 12:31:52 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, can you keep him updated of the situation please
Nov 15 12:32:01 quantumsummers sure, I'll email him
Nov 15 12:32:06 NeddySeagoon thanks
Nov 15 12:32:07 quantumsummers Stormfront (DVD Vender)
Nov 15 12:32:09 quantumsummers np
Nov 15 12:32:09 dabbott Stormfront this is the vendor we can may be get together with, he is a Gentoo user, active on the forums etc.
Nov 15 12:32:29 quantumsummers looks good, its nice that he is involved
Nov 15 12:32:59 NeddySeagoon looks good. Has he mad an offer of a % per DVD ?
Nov 15 12:33:16 dabbott yes he did
Nov 15 12:33:42 NeddySeagoon I missed the email then. I'll go with everyone else on a vote
Nov 15 12:34:44 quantumsummers dabbott: will you handle the conversation with stormfront?
Nov 15 12:35:00 quantumsummers seems like you know the guy
Nov 15 12:35:20 dabbott yes sure
Nov 15 12:35:53 quantumsummers do we need to vote on this item?
Nov 15 12:36:09 dabbott The links to all the vendors selling DVD's CD's, I will go through them and see which ones are still good
Nov 15 12:36:30 dabbott I will report back next meeting
Nov 15 12:36:30 quantumsummers I think I recall a donation of 15% from stormfront, is that correct dabbott?
Nov 15 12:37:20 dabbott I will have to look
Nov 15 12:37:38 quantumsummers ok, just CC trustees when you email him.
Nov 15 12:37:44 dabbott OK
Nov 15 12:37:51 quantumsummers Brazilian Store of Linux Media
Nov 15 12:37:57 NeddySeagoon I found the thread but it ends with stormfront saying they will get back to us
Nov 15 12:38:06 dabbott I can add them to the vendor list
Nov 15 12:38:25 quantumsummers dabbott: ok, for the brazil folks
Nov 15 12:38:46 NeddySeagoon ok for me too, as long at they acknowledge our marks
Nov 15 12:39:04 dabbott I want to move the vendors away from where.xml to their own page
Nov 15 12:39:05 tsunam fine here too
Nov 15 12:39:20 quantumsummers alright. good
Nov 15 12:39:24 NeddySeagoon Pilla says it looks good - hes a brazillian forums admin
Nov 15 12:39:49 dabbott sold
Nov 15 12:39:57 quantumsummers Lutz Borkenhagen : postpone until next meeting pending vote
Nov 15 12:40:06 quantumsummers Users Thank You Donations - NeddySeagoon
Nov 15 12:40:24 quantumsummers (I'll email Lutz too)
Nov 15 12:40:36 NeddySeagoon yep
Nov 15 12:42:31 quantumsummers so, Users Thank You Donations - NeddySeagoon
Nov 15 12:42:47 quantumsummers what do you have in mind here Neddy?
Nov 15 12:43:18 NeddySeagoon I was wondering if we should email users who donate more that a certain amount a 'thank you' note
Nov 15 12:45:05 dabbott We may not have the time to keep it up
Nov 15 12:45:19 NeddySeagoon ok, drop it then
Nov 15 12:45:38 dabbott You can add aspecial think you to pay pal, to personalize it
Nov 15 12:45:55 quantumsummers it might be possible to automate this sort of thing a little
Nov 15 12:46:19 NeddySeagoon I just wanted to kick the idea around a little - that was akk
Nov 15 12:46:23 NeddySeagoon all*
Nov 15 12:46:45 quantumsummers ok, I like it, perhaps it just needs a little thought with respect to the logistics, etc
Nov 15 12:47:09 quantumsummers 6. Membership Applications -- None this month
Nov 15 12:47:12 NeddySeagoon and the minimum value maybe ?
Nov 15 12:47:40 quantumsummers perhaps, or just have a few emails, a separate one for each level of donation
Nov 15 12:48:02 quantumsummers we have seen some ~$10 which is a nice though
Nov 15 12:48:06 quantumsummers thought*
Nov 15 12:48:12 NeddySeagoon yep
Nov 15 12:48:26 quantumsummers now if we got a $1000 donation, we should send them a personal email
Nov 15 12:48:35 NeddySeagoon yeah
Nov 15 12:49:03 dabbott a yearly thank you web page
Nov 15 12:49:06 quantumsummers most are in the $20 to $50 & if paypal can send them a nice note on our behalf, then that is the way to go
Nov 15 12:49:19 NeddySeagoon yep
Nov 15 12:49:28 quantumsummers dabbott: the trouble with a public thing like that is some wish to remain anonymous
Nov 15 12:49:37 dabbott ahh ok
Nov 15 12:49:40 quantumsummers we have no way of telling who thoughn
Nov 15 12:50:13 NeddySeagoon lets preserve anonymous just in case
Nov 15 12:50:26 quantumsummers yes
Nov 15 12:50:50 dabbott tsunam, quantumsummers, you can customize the thank you if you have access to the pay pal account
Nov 15 12:50:57 tsunam that we can
Nov 15 12:51:14 * NeddySeagoon does not use paypal
Nov 15 12:51:15 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: would you like to draft a note?
Nov 15 12:51:37 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, ok - I'll do that off line
Nov 15 12:52:12 quantumsummers tsunam, NeddySeagoon, can you two coordinate implementing that?
Nov 15 12:52:32 quantumsummers I think I can log into paypal, its been awhile ...
Nov 15 12:52:33 NeddySeagoon I'll post to trustees@ when I have a note
Nov 15 12:52:36 quantumsummers ok
Nov 15 12:52:39 quantumsummers great
Nov 15 12:53:05 quantumsummers Document of being a developer --- rbu needs a certificate
Nov 15 12:53:21 NeddySeagoon OK by me ..
Nov 15 12:53:42 dabbott yes git er done
Nov 15 12:53:48 quantumsummers lol
Nov 15 12:54:09 NeddySeagoon I don't think I can do PDF since I changed jobs :(
Nov 15 12:54:27 quantumsummers wha?
Nov 15 12:54:36 quantumsummers what ever do you mean?
Nov 15 12:54:52 NeddySeagoon I have no access to scan to PDF
Nov 15 12:54:59 quantumsummers ah, I see
Nov 15 12:55:11 quantumsummers what about a digital mark
Nov 15 12:55:24 NeddySeagoon rbu wants a PDF
Nov 15 12:55:49 quantumsummers if you can make a drawing in gimp or something I can assemble the pdf
Nov 15 12:56:00 quantumsummers a drawing of your mark that is
Nov 15 12:56:02 NeddySeagoon I can print and scan ... but not to PDF format. quantumsummers what about you as secy ?
Nov 15 12:56:15 quantumsummers I can do it
Nov 15 12:56:20 quantumsummers not a problem
Nov 15 12:56:28 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, you can sign on behalf of the Foundation
Nov 15 12:56:32 quantumsummers if I can find the bug that has the doc on it
Nov 15 12:56:47 quantumsummers bug 234705
Nov 15 12:56:48 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/234705 "Document of being an active developer"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; RESO, FIXE; dberkholz@g.o:araujo@g.o
Nov 15 12:57:07 quantumsummers ok, I will do that then
Nov 15 12:57:08 NeddySeagoon I think we got an email of the master so we can update it for the date
Nov 15 12:57:20 quantumsummers sure, no problem
Nov 15 12:57:42 quantumsummers Date of Next Meeting - 13th Dec 2009 19:00 UTC
Nov 15 12:57:48 quantumsummers fine by me
Nov 15 12:57:51 NeddySeagoon Yep
Nov 15 12:57:55 dabbott ok here
Nov 15 12:58:00 quantumsummers tsunam?
Nov 15 12:58:49 quantumsummers ok, I'll take that as a maybe, given that its the standard meeting cycle, then lets just go with it
Nov 15 12:59:09 quantumsummers Any other business - trustees
Nov 15 12:59:16 quantumsummers anyone?
Nov 15 12:59:40 quantumsummers going once
Nov 15 12:59:42 NeddySeagoon we many need a special meeting at the end of the month
Nov 15 12:59:47 quantumsummers true
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 15 13:00:04 2009
Nov 15 13:00:04 NeddySeagoon to consider applications for membership
Nov 15 13:00:12 quantumsummers yes of course
Nov 15 13:00:24 quantumsummers Nov 29th?
Nov 15 13:00:34 dabbott yes
Nov 15 13:00:41 quantumsummers that is the last sunday in nov
Nov 15 13:00:45 NeddySeagoon We may not need a meeting if we can do it over email
Nov 15 13:01:02 NeddySeagoon works for me ... 1900 UTC ?
Nov 15 13:01:05 quantumsummers ok, lets set a tentative meeting on the 29th @ 1900
Nov 15 13:01:13 dabbott OK
Nov 15 13:01:17 NeddySeagoon single topic
Nov 15 13:01:21 quantumsummers if we handle it over email, then we can opt out
Nov 15 13:01:24 quantumsummers perfect
Nov 15 13:01:26 NeddySeagoon yep
Nov 15 13:01:45 quantumsummers ok, standard meeting is in effect as well on the 13th of Dec @1900 also
Nov 15 13:01:59 NeddySeagoon yes
Nov 15 13:02:04 quantumsummers good.
Nov 15 13:02:08 dabbott k
Nov 15 13:02:21 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: you are starting the convo with the elections team?
Nov 15 13:02:34 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, I'm trying :)
Nov 15 13:02:40 quantumsummers ok, good
Nov 15 13:03:12 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: let me know in the next couple of days how that is going. It might be too short of notice, & we may have to use an alternative vote
Nov 15 13:03:39 quantumsummers any other business?
Nov 15 13:04:03 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, we could do signed emails to trustees but its a bit of a mess
Nov 15 13:04:29 quantumsummers worst case, yes
Nov 15 13:05:04 quantumsummers we can discuss alternatives if elections can't make it happen. sound ok?
Nov 15 13:05:19 quantumsummers elections team that is
Nov 15 13:05:29 quantumsummers AOB going one
Nov 15 13:05:42 quantumsummers twice
Nov 15 13:05:44 NeddySeagoon I'm done
Nov 15 13:05:50 quantumsummers three times a lady
Nov 15 13:06:13 quantumsummers gone
Nov 15 13:06:19 quantumsummers Open Floor
Nov 15 13:06:22 quantumsummers anyone
Nov 15 13:06:23 quantumsummers ?
Nov 15 13:06:25 quantumsummers armin76:
Nov 15 13:06:28 quantumsummers your arm thing
Nov 15 13:06:32 quantumsummers :D
Nov 15 13:07:02 armin76 well
Nov 15 13:07:07 armin76 i want an armv7 board
Nov 15 13:07:22 armin76 can't we get a deal with ARM.com like canonical has?
Nov 15 13:07:39 NeddySeagoon armin76, what deal do they have ?
Nov 15 13:08:14 armin76 NeddySeagoon: well, what i know is that they get hardware, i guess in exchange of porting ubuntu to it
Nov 15 13:08:29 NeddySeagoon armin76, is it just you, or the whole ARM project wants one each ?
Nov 15 13:08:46 quantumsummers armin76: we can approach them. didn't we have something with marvel too?
Nov 15 13:09:13 armin76 NeddySeagoon: well, the whole arm team would like boards, obviously
Nov 15 13:09:21 * quantumsummers will brb
Nov 15 13:09:23 NeddySeagoon armin76, file a bug saying which one you want and why its a good choice for what you want to do
Nov 15 13:09:32 armin76 quantumsummers: the contact at marvell can't do anything
Nov 15 13:09:39 NeddySeagoon armin76, how may boards is that ?
Nov 15 13:09:51 armin76 quantumsummers: i was told by a marvell worker: ubuntu has them because Marvell has a deal with canonical
Nov 15 13:10:03 armin76 NeddySeagoon: dunno, 4?
Nov 15 13:10:39 NeddySeagoon armin76, I was thinking of going for a number like 4 with the hope of getting 2
Nov 15 13:11:07 armin76 well, don't worry
Nov 15 13:11:23 NeddySeagoon armin76, file your bug
Nov 15 13:11:31 armin76 i wrote to ARM today, i'll let you know what comes out on the4 next trustees meeting
Nov 15 13:11:49 NeddySeagoon armin76, ok, or post to trustees@
Nov 15 13:12:15 NeddySeagoon armin76, which bit of ARM did you write to ?
Nov 15 13:13:18 armin76 NeddySeagoon: connected community
Nov 15 13:13:33 NeddySeagoon OK
Nov 15 13:13:34 quantumsummers armin76: please cc the alias
Nov 15 13:13:38 NeddySeagoon good luck
Nov 15 13:13:40 quantumsummers & a bug
Nov 15 13:13:49 quantumsummers how much are the boards?
Nov 15 13:14:32 armin76 NeddySeagoon: its a tracker thing, so i got a number, hope that means they'll answer me :)
Nov 15 13:14:50 NeddySeagoon :)
Nov 15 13:14:58 armin76 quantumsummers: well, i was hoping free...if not, then we can forget about them, they can cost 3000$ or more
Nov 15 13:16:41 quantumsummers wow
Nov 15 13:17:16 armin76 quantumsummers: they're prototype boards
Nov 15 13:17:57 quantumsummers that's more $$ than a vertex 5 fpga, lol
Nov 15 13:18:06 armin76 i even told the marvell guy to give us the boards that ubuntu don't support anymore, but he said no
Nov 15 13:19:02 quantumsummers alright, we'll see about it. I have no trouble assisting in the discussion if you need armin76
Nov 15 13:19:02 armin76 http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux <- /me wants something like that
Nov 15 13:19:02 NeddySeagoon It probably wasn't his decision to make
Nov 15 13:20:07 quantumsummers armin76: please keep us in the loop, if you need help let us know
Nov 15 13:20:15 armin76 sure, thanks
Nov 15 13:20:18 quantumsummers anything else for open floor?
Nov 15 13:20:21 * dabbott has changed the topic to: Join our public mailing list gentoo-nfp at lists dot gentoo dot org | Logs/Minutes of past meetings http://tinyurl.com/2qcb4o | Adopted bylaws http://xrl.us/oo447 (16 Nov '08) | Next Meeting Dec 13 2009 19:00 UTC
Nov 15 13:20:27 quantumsummers thanks dabbott
Nov 15 13:20:51 quantumsummers open floor going once
Nov 15 13:21:22 quantumsummers twice
Nov 15 13:21:34 quantumsummers thrice
Nov 15 13:22:05 quantumsummers meeting adjourned. thanks to everyone for joining us today. See you next time :)
Nov 15 13:22:22 NeddySeagoon tanks quantumsummers
Nov 15 13:22:27 NeddySeagoon thanks*
Nov 15 13:22:35 quantumsummers tank you :D
Nov 15 13:22:37 dabbott ty quantumsummers
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