[gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/council/meeting-logs: 20111011-summary.txt 20111011.txt

[gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/council/meeting-logs: 20111011-summary.txt 20111011.txt

[Markos Chandras (hwoarang)]

hwoarang    11/10/12 19:21:59

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  add summary and logfile from yesterday's meeting

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Council meeting summary: 20111011


Agenda
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* Roll call (5 minutes; anyone later will be given a slacker mark)

* Vote on whether we want to edit generated ChangeLogs and if
'yes' discuss the abstract implementation so we can finally start
working on that. 

* EAPI-1 in profiles

* Review open bugs with council involvement

* Open floor - listen to the community

Meeting
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 * roll call

    here:

    Betelgeuse
    chainsaw
    dberkholz
    grobian
    hwoarang
    jmbsvicetto
    ulm
    


 * vote/discuss:

	* Vote on whether we want to edit generated ChangeLogs and the
	abstract implementation that was decided

	The council decided to allow edits on ChangeLogs. The implementation
	will be discussed with the portage developers.

	* EAPI-1 in profiles

	The council decided to allow EAPI-1 in profiles

*  Open bugs
	
	* Bug #316401: No progress since last month. idl0r agreed to take care
	of it.

	* Bug #331987: No progress since last month. antarus provided the
	subscriber numbers for gentoo-project and gentoo-council mailing lists.
	54 subscribers found to be only subscribed in gentoo-council but not in
	gentoo-project. The council decided to move these subscribers to
	gentoo-project and send them a message informing them how to 
	remove themselves from the new gentoo-project mailing list. 

	* Bug #341959. No progress. hwoarang agreed to talk to tove about
	that and sort it out.

	* Bug #383467. jmbsvicetto will take care of that on behalf of the
	elections team.

* Open floor - Discussion

	 No issues were brought up to the council by the community.
	
* Next meeting date

	Tuesday, 20111108 1900 UTC (will be decided later because of daylight
	saving time )




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[20:00:18] <hwoarang> time to start?
[20:00:18] <grobian> present
[20:00:20] <jmbsvicetto> here
[20:00:42] <dberkholz> hi
[20:00:48] <hwoarang> ulm: Betelgeuse ^
[20:00:52] <hwoarang> hmm missing Chainsaw?
[20:00:55] <ulm> here
[20:01:33] <hwoarang> lets wait a couple of minutes
[20:01:46] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: let me power up my laptop so I can get chainsaw's phone number
[20:01:55] <hwoarang> kk
[20:02:08] * hwoarang has changed topic for #gentoo-council to: "Next meeting: October 11, 1900UTC | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/utctolocal.html?time=1900 | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ | Meeting Now! | agenda : http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang/council-20111011-agenda.txt"
[20:02:15] <Betelgeuse> hwoarang: here
[20:03:44] * hwoarang has changed topic for #gentoo-council to: "Next meeting: Now | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/utctolocal.html?time=1900 | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ | agenda : http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang/council-20111011-agenda.txt"
[20:03:57] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: who's missing? Just Chainsaw?
[20:04:00] <hwoarang> yeah
[20:04:28] <hwoarang> will you call him?
[20:04:38] <jmbsvicetto> I'm calling
[20:05:22] <jmbsvicetto> He should be around soon
[20:05:38] <hwoarang> okey
[20:06:14] --> Chainsaw (~chainsaw@gentoo/developer/atheme.member.chainsaw) has joined #gentoo-council
[20:06:14] *** Mode #gentoo-council +o Chainsaw by ChanServ
[20:06:20] <Chainsaw> Sorry!
[20:06:30] -*- Chainsaw bows to jmbsvicetto and takes his seat
[20:06:39] <jmbsvicetto> Hi Tony :)
[20:06:50] <hwoarang> no prob :)
[20:07:04] <hwoarang> live summary here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang/council-20111011-summary.txt
[20:07:08] <hwoarang> 1st Item
[20:07:20] <hwoarang> vote: Edit the generated changelogs
[20:07:34] <hwoarang> seems like the community wants to have this ability
[20:08:01] <grobian> ok, we're voting now?
[20:08:10] <hwoarang> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_c970aaa4a10a0c36f51e15fe0d1f72df.xml
[20:08:14] <hwoarang> for reference ^
[20:08:39] <hwoarang> I think we are good to vote here
[20:08:41] <grobian> yes, changelogs must be able to be changed always
[20:08:47] <dberkholz> i've kinda changed my mind since last time we discussed this, it's just a hassle to deal with.
[20:09:04] <hwoarang> dberkholz: depends on the implementation I guess
[20:09:11] <Betelgeuse> It's not a requirement but feel free to timplement.
[20:09:28] <Chainsaw> I want to be able to edit what I submit, in case I miss something.
[20:09:42] <Chainsaw> So: Yes to editing.
[20:09:44] <ulm> +1
[20:09:46] <hwoarang> +1
[20:10:07] <jmbsvicetto> My opinion is that our voting 2 (3?) months ago meant we would need to keep a file, so it would be possible to edit it
[20:10:10] <hwoarang> Betelgeuse: i don't agree that this is not a requirement
[20:10:19] <hwoarang> cause based on that the implementation changes
[20:10:22] <hwoarang> substantialy
[20:10:31] <hwoarang> *ll
[20:10:38] <grobian> jmbsvicetto: yes, so see my reply to the thread hwoarang just pointed to
[20:10:57] <dberkholz> i pretty much agree with vapier, i don't see this ability as a requirement either.
[20:11:05] <grobian> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_5dfed9997951547d2f08f933d84b97b2.xml
[20:11:42] <hwoarang> So I guess everyone is on board either as +1 or just do it if you want
[20:12:39] <hwoarang> any objections otherwise we are moving forward
[20:12:50] <jmbsvicetto> At this point I agree with Betelgeuse that this is not a requirement, but feel free to implement
[20:13:47] <hwoarang> the implementation is simple enough anyway. Has the user touched the changelog? Yes? ok so repoman wont write anything to it
[20:13:50] <dberkholz> this isn't consensus-based, it's majority-based ... objections don't matter if they're the minority.
[20:14:08] <grobian> hwoarang: that's wrong logic ;)
[20:14:22] <hwoarang> grobian: let me know why
[20:14:37] <grobian> if you touch changelog + ebuild, something is wrong
[20:15:09] <hwoarang> why? you probably want to write a different message to Changelog
[20:15:16] <hwoarang> and not the one you will use on the commit message
[20:15:32] <grobian> then the whole point of the changelog discussion is moot
[20:15:37] <hwoarang> err no
[20:15:44] <hwoarang> sometimes the changelog has to be verbose :)
[20:15:47] <grobian> we don't want people to write "^" in the changelog
[20:15:48] <hwoarang> very verbose :p
[20:15:55] <_AxS_> ..would it not be safer to allow edits but only secondarily?  ie, commit with repoman, and then you can edit the changelog after?
[20:15:57] <grobian> or just add a space to make them omit a a changelog entry
[20:16:19] <hwoarang> grobian: i think this is not the case anymore
[20:16:39] <grobian> hwoarang: true, but it was the reason this whole discussion started
[20:16:56] <hwoarang> ppl you did that wont bother editing changelog manually
[20:17:03] <hwoarang> will simply run repoman commit and let him do the job
[20:17:05] <jmbsvicetto> hmm, we also voted against "omitting" stuff from changelogs, correct?
[20:17:05] <grobian> if we decide now we all behave, we don't need to regulate anything, and we can just continue to do useful stuff
[20:17:27] <jmbsvicetto> so the commit message to repoman should be save in the changelog
[20:17:29] <hwoarang> grobian: the point is to get rid of the manual echangelog thingie
[20:17:33] <hwoarang> jmbsvicetto: yes
[20:17:33] <Chainsaw> grobian: Assuming common sense on the side of the developer has been tried.
[20:17:42] <grobian> hwoarang: that's a technical argument you should have with portage people
[20:17:45] <Chainsaw> grobian: It was not a success.
[20:18:04] <grobian> Chainsaw: sorry?
[20:18:10] <hwoarang> grobian: right now repoman will still need to run echangelog internally to write changelog
[20:18:35] <grobian> and how does that change?
[20:18:42] <hwoarang> change what?
[20:18:51] <grobian> if we decide anything?
[20:19:07] <grobian> we just decided 4-3 we won't auto-generate the log, but always store  it on disk in VCS somewhere
[20:19:09] <hwoarang> do you have another implementation in mind?
[20:19:16] <hwoarang> yes
[20:19:38] <grobian> so, poke zmedico to add echangelog code to repoman
[20:19:46] <hwoarang> correct
[20:19:52] <grobian> council only sets the policy that for each change a changelog entry should exist
[20:19:56] <hwoarang> that is why I am saying
[20:19:58] <hwoarang> *what
[20:20:01] <grobian> s/exist/be written/
[20:20:13] <ulm> we have a decision, right? so can we please move on and move further discussions to the ml?
[20:20:22] <ulm> otherwise this is a waste of time
[20:20:24] <_AxS_> ..would it help if the actual, exact issue which is being voted on is explicitly stated?
[20:20:34] <Chainsaw> _AxS_: It was, and a decision has been reached.
[20:20:41] -*- Chainsaw agrees with ulm, let's move on
[20:20:42] <hwoarang> ulm: we have nothing to push back do we?
[20:20:47] <hwoarang> this is now a task for the portage@ ppl
[20:21:05] <ulm> hwoarang: all the better then
[20:21:22] <grobian> hwoarang: yes, our request for them to do it, or any voluntyeer to work with them
[20:21:32] <grobian> ok, next topic please
[20:21:37] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: It's a task for any interested party and assigned to the portage people
[20:22:34] <jmbsvicetto> s/assigned to/we kindly ask the assistance of/
[20:22:48] <grobian> +1
[20:23:02] <hwoarang> sorry guys I have a huge lag
[20:23:08] <hwoarang> moving to task 2
[20:23:13] <hwoarang> EAPI1 in profiles
[20:23:32] <hwoarang> related discussion: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_59c8c04883735f0b090f6e3f0525241e.xml
[20:24:20] <jmbsvicetto> Thanks to Donnie's poke I reviewed the thread and corrected my memory from it
[20:24:38] <grobian> imo the consensus of that thread is that eapi-1 is ok (nothing higher)
[20:24:41] <jmbsvicetto> so, +1 on setting EAPI=1 on profiles
[20:24:42] <ulm> I'd rather bump profiles to EAPI 2 immediately
[20:24:46] <hwoarang> from what I can tell it seems safe enough to do it
[20:24:47] <dberkholz> i'll summarize again.
[20:24:48] <dberkholz> 18:31 < dberkholz@> 17:15 < dberkholz@> in the "Call for items for September 13 council meeting" thread.
[20:24:51] <dberkholz> 18:32 < dberkholz@> basically, nobody really cared about EAPI=1, people had problems with USE deps in 2 and  not long enough support for EAPI=4
[20:25:10] <Chainsaw> EAPI 0 -> 1 has a lot of benefits and no downsides that I can see.
[20:25:13] <Chainsaw> I'm all for it.
[20:25:16] <hwoarang> ulm: there was a discussion about how to handle USE masks in >EAPI2
[20:25:19] <jmbsvicetto> ulm: I'd prefer we stick to EAPI-1
[20:25:22] <hwoarang> >=
[20:25:30] <hwoarang> EAPI1 seems better to me
[20:25:31] <grobian> I'm ok with EAPI-1
[20:25:40] <Chainsaw> 2 and higher have pitfalls.
[20:25:47] <ulm> hwoarang: that USE masks are possible doesn't imply that they must be used ;)
[20:25:51] <jmbsvicetto> ulm: I'd be interested in getting some experimental profiles where we could try a bump to a more recent EAPI version
[20:26:06] <hwoarang> ulm: afaik there is no provision for app-foo/bar[test] in profiles
[20:26:09] <hwoarang> is it?
[20:26:11] <dberkholz> i'd prefer to take the incremental step forward and approve 1 right now.
[20:26:18] <dberkholz> we can then talk about 2 separately.
[20:26:20] <ulm> but of course, I'm o.k. with EAPI 1
[20:26:26] <hwoarang> good
[20:26:37] <ulm> only we'll have the same discussion at a later point then :p
[20:26:39] <Betelgeuse> EAPI 1 ok
[20:26:56] <hwoarang> baby steps
[20:27:12] <hwoarang> moving to item 3
[20:27:16] <hwoarang> open bugs
[20:27:18] <jmbsvicetto> ulm: we can start the work on experimental profiles after we approve EAPI-1
[20:27:33] <ulm> jmbsvicetto: yeah, let's do that
[20:28:06] <hwoarang> ok
[20:28:24] <hwoarang> bug #316401
[20:28:27] <willikins> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/316401 "Add resolution OBSOLETE"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; IN_P; betelgeuse:bugzilla
[20:28:53] <Chainsaw> !seen idl0r
[20:28:53] <willikins> Chainsaw: idl0r was last seen 31 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying ":D" in #gentoo.de
[20:28:59] <hwoarang> no progress since last month. It seems to me it is fixed
[20:29:03] <Betelgeuse> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status
[20:29:06] <Betelgeuse> hwoarang: it's not there yet
[20:29:15] <hwoarang> oh right
[20:29:17] <hwoarang> sorry 
[20:29:23] <Chainsaw> * You've invited idl0r to #gentoo-council (leguin.freenode.net)
[20:29:25] <Chainsaw> Summons issued.
[20:29:52] <hwoarang> in case he does not show up by the end of the meeting
[20:29:57] <a3li> poked him
[20:29:59] <hwoarang> I will try to talk to him in #infra
[20:30:34] <hwoarang> bug #331987
[20:30:37] <willikins> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/331987 "Merge -council and -project mailing lists"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Mailing Lists; UNCO; scarabeus:infra-bugs
[20:30:40] <hwoarang> no progress as well
[20:31:05] --> idl0r (~idl0r@gentoo/developer/idl0r) has joined #gentoo-council
[20:31:08] <idl0r> hey
[20:31:17] <Chainsaw> Thank you for joining us idl0r.
[20:31:32] <Chainsaw> Could you add the description in bugzilla please, for bug #316401
[20:31:32] <willikins> Chainsaw: https://bugs.gentoo.org/316401 "Add resolution OBSOLETE"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; IN_P; betelgeuse:bugzilla
[20:31:43] <Chainsaw> Or do you require further assistance from us?
[20:32:03] <idl0r> sec.
[20:33:02] <idl0r> ah that one
[20:33:17] <ulm> hm, I cannot find the word "obsoleted" in my dictionary
[20:33:43] <jmbsvicetto> ulm: obsoleted or obsolete ?
[20:33:43] <ulm> should be "obsolete" IMHO (but I'm not a native speaker)
[20:33:45] <idl0r> i'll need to fight me through the templates again and add all resolutions and so on
[20:33:59] <Betelgeuse> ulm: it should be obsolete
[20:34:01] <grobian> obsolete is in the dictionary
[20:34:16] <Betelgeuse> ulm: Where did you see "obsoleted"?
[20:34:24] <ulm> Betelgeuse: in your comment #0
[20:34:30] <ulm> "The bug has become obsoleted."
[20:34:43] <dberkholz> in that use, obsoleted would be bad grammar anyway.
[20:35:06] <Chainsaw> Has become obsolete, or has been obsoleted by X.
[20:35:19] <Chainsaw> But "made obsolete" would be preferred.
[20:35:29] <Betelgeuse> Feel free to go and add the better and as the comment calls for :)
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[20:35:56] <idl0r> Chainsaw: so it'll take some time again, it was/is more low priority on my TODO
[20:36:16] <idl0r> or if a3li want to do that.. :)
[20:37:58] <hwoarang> moving on
[20:38:11] <hwoarang> bug #331987
[20:38:14] <willikins> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/331987 "Merge -council and -project mailing lists"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Mailing Lists; UNCO; scarabeus:infra-bugs
[20:38:19] <hwoarang> is someone willing to talk to robbat2 about that?
[20:38:35] <hwoarang> no progress since last month
[20:39:05] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: we're waiting on the numbers, correct?
[20:39:11] <hwoarang> yeah
[20:39:34] <hwoarang> should we push this forward in case @infra forgotten about his?
[20:39:36] <hwoarang> *this
[20:39:39] <hwoarang> or just wait
[20:40:39] <hwoarang> ok lets just wait then 
[20:41:03] <hwoarang> bug #331987
[20:41:04] <willikins> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/331987 "Merge -council and -project mailing lists"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Mailing Lists; UNCO; scarabeus:infra-bugs
[20:41:20] <hwoarang> i will talk to tove in IRC soon. Bugzilla talking did not work out
[20:41:42] <hwoarang> bug #383467
[20:41:45] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/383467 "Council webpage lacks results for 2010 and 2011 elections"; Website www.gentoo.org, Projects; CONF; hwoarang:jmbsvicetto
[20:41:52] <jmbsvicetto> I've taken this bug for myself
[20:41:58] <jmbsvicetto> I'll take care of it asap
[20:42:21] <hwoarang> jmbsvicetto: thanks
[20:42:48] <hwoarang> Last item: Open floor 
[20:43:02] <hwoarang> @community. Now it is time to jump in
[20:43:23] <Chainsaw> a3li: Are you able to assist with bug #316401 please?
[20:43:25] <willikins> Chainsaw: https://bugs.gentoo.org/316401 "Add resolution OBSOLETE"; Bugzilla, General Bugs; IN_P; betelgeuse:bugzilla
[20:43:34] <Chainsaw> a3li: I would prefer to be able to close it off.
[20:44:14] <a3li> Chainsaw: when idl0r provides me with bugzilla access, then yes
[20:44:30] <Chainsaw> idl0r: Are you able to do that please?
[20:44:44] <a3li> not right now, that is. but tomorrow/this week
[20:44:47] <idl0r> sure
[20:45:00] <Chainsaw> idl0r: Many thanks. Then I will consider this to be sorted.
[20:45:15] <idl0r> you're welcome
[20:45:38] <hwoarang> seems like we finished :)
[20:46:04] <idl0r> done (access)
[20:46:09] <Chainsaw> idl0r: Cheers.
[20:46:13] <grobian> thanks
[20:46:21] <-- idella4 (~idella4@gentoo/contributor/idella4) has left #gentoo-council ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
[20:46:22] <Chainsaw> jmbsvicetto: Thanks again :)
[20:46:30] <hwoarang> the summary is live here
[20:46:33] <hwoarang> http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang/council-20111011-summary.txt
[20:46:52] <hwoarang> if you want to comment on that. I will review it and send it for review before announcing it
[20:47:01] <jmbsvicetto> Chainsaw: np :)
[20:47:04] <grobian> hwoarang: deceded -> decided
[20:47:07] <hwoarang> right
[20:47:18] <hwoarang> next meeting is on November 8th
[20:47:20] <grobian> electiosns -> elections
[20:47:30] <jmbsvicetto> Markos, thanks for chairing the meeting
[20:47:35] <dberkholz> good deal. thanks hwoarang
[20:48:21] <hwoarang> ok i will send the review to the alias tonight and tomorrow to -dev-announce
[20:48:24] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: I'd suggest s/EAPI1/EAPI-1/ just to make it more readable
[20:48:28] <hwoarang> ok jmbsvicetto
[20:49:05] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: I'm fine with this summary. Feel free to submit / commit it from my part
[20:49:13] <grobian> +1
[20:49:33] <hwoarang> @all: Once I upload everything I will open the bug for repoman
[20:49:35] <ulm> summary is o.k., thanks hwoarang
[20:50:01] <Chainsaw> Thumbs up for summary.
[20:50:03] <grobian> hwoarang: there already is one by diego
[20:50:38] <hwoarang> there are plenty
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[20:50:57] <grobian> hwoarang: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337853
[20:51:23] <hwoarang> Betelgeuse has also opened a number of bugs about changelog entires on removal and addition
[20:51:30] <grobian> hwoarang: want me to comment on that bug with council hat?
[20:51:32] <hwoarang> we should probably merge them to a single one
[20:51:48] <hwoarang> grobian: i'd prefer first to make summary public and then poke them
[20:51:57] <grobian> hwoarang: fine, your call
[20:52:40] <Betelgeuse> hwoarang: I have?
[20:52:51] <grobian> Betelgeuse: yeap :D
[20:52:58] <hwoarang> Betelgeuse: mind if you mark 365361 and 177290 as duplicates?
[20:53:06] <hwoarang> those two at least ^
[20:53:50] <grobian> hwoarang: I think once you push out the summary, you should comment on those bugs referring to the summary
[20:54:02] <hwoarang> yeah
[20:54:10] <hwoarang> probably add a comment and close them
[20:54:14] <hwoarang> move everything to a single bug
[20:54:16] <grobian> although 365361 has already summary defined, but now also the generation thing
[20:54:22] <grobian> sth like that
[20:54:31] <Betelgeuse> hwoarang: not exactly the same thing but as long as both get impelmented I don't midn
[20:54:57] <grobian> cool antarus uses his new wings
[20:55:13] <hwoarang> Betelgeuse: ok i will make that clear when I add the comment
[20:56:13] <grobian> now we have the stats for -council and -project, can we make a decision in 5 minutes?
[20:56:42] <hwoarang> we could if everyone is still here ;p
[20:57:04] <grobian> jmbsvicetto, Chainsaw, dberkholz, ulm, Betelgeuse ping?
[20:57:10] <jmbsvicetto> pong
[20:57:13] <Chainsaw> Yes grobian?
[20:57:27] <grobian> can we decide on bug 331987 now?
[20:57:29] <willikins> grobian: https://bugs.gentoo.org/331987 "Merge -council and -project mailing lists"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Mailing Lists; UNCO; scarabeus:infra-bugs
[20:57:44] <jmbsvicetto> grobian: I poked infra about the numbers ;)
[20:57:52] <grobian> jmbsvicetto: thx
[20:57:56] <jmbsvicetto> let me read the numbers
[20:58:22] <Chainsaw> 54 users affected.
[20:58:33] <hwoarang> probably stale entries?
[20:58:40] <Chainsaw> I would subscribe to project without a personal approach. If it was <10, a more personal approach would be warranted.
[20:58:41] <grobian> could we just move them?
[20:58:50] <dberkholz> just move 'em.
[20:59:06] <hwoarang> yeah move them and close the list
[20:59:08] <dberkholz> and let them know while you're at it, mentioning in the note how to unsubscribe
[20:59:21] <dberkholz> since they'll suddenly be on a list with more traffic
[20:59:24] <grobian> move + post-move msg on project both are merged
[20:59:35] <Chainsaw> grobian: Yes, that sounds sensible.
[20:59:52] <jmbsvicetto> move + close + note about how to unsubscribe (if possible)
[21:00:00] <hwoarang> good
[21:00:06] <ulm> jmbsvicetto: sounds good
[21:00:17] <grobian> ok, so do we have a majority for just moving them in the first place?
[21:00:23] <jmbsvicetto> +1
[21:00:25] <hwoarang> +1
[21:00:28] <grobian> +1
[21:00:41] <Chainsaw> Agreed.
[21:00:48] <grobian> ok, so yes
[21:01:27] <jmbsvicetto> I don't think we need to vote on closing the ml - we already did it
[21:01:28] <grobian> next thing is probably if we want to notify them
[21:01:48] <grobian> if the ml software can do it, or we need to send an additional answer is just an implementation
[21:02:36] <jmbsvicetto> I'd ask infra if they can send an automated message about unsubscribing. If not, we can send the message grobian talked about and add a note about how to unsubscribe from that list
[21:02:47] <grobian> +1
[21:02:48] <hwoarang> jmbsvicetto: thanks
[21:02:56] <hwoarang> i will add that bit to the summary
[21:05:03] <grobian> ok, thanks once again
[21:05:47] <Chainsaw> bonsaikitten: I'm taking those xen bugs from idella4 if that's okay.
[21:06:15] <bonsaikitten> Chainsaw: yes please
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[21:07:07] <jmbsvicetto> hwoarang: If you don't anything else from me, I'll take care of a few things at work before I leave
[21:07:18] <hwoarang> no everything is good
[21:07:32] <jmbsvicetto> ok, thanks for chairing
[21:07:35] <jmbsvicetto> later
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