[gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Fernando Spencer]

Hello,

I'm running Gentoo 2007 on 9 machines, 5 dual xeon 3.0Mhz and 4 dual
PIII 1.4Mhz, with 6gb of ram. I installed an openmosix kernel
(2.6.17), but I can't get openmosix tools working, they don't compile
or don't work fine. I tried omuscd, but I get "No candidate process"

Is there a way to distribute process around the boxes transparently
using the network with gentoo?

What softwares are you using ?

Fernando
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Catalin Zamfir Alexandru]

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Where can I find openmosix vor the 2.6 Kernel?! ... Please, I need this info!

On Thursday 24 May 2007 15:45, Fernando Spencer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm running Gentoo 2007 on 9 machines, 5 dual xeon 3.0Mhz and 4 dual
> PIII 1.4Mhz, with 6gb of ram. I installed an openmosix kernel
> (2.6.17), but I can't get openmosix tools working, they don't compile
> or don't work fine. I tried omuscd, but I get "No candidate process"
>
> Is there a way to distribute process around the boxes transparently
> using the network with gentoo?
>
> What softwares are you using ?
>
> Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Fernando Spencer]

Hello Catalin,

I got here:

http://openmosix.unfreeze.net/releases/kernels/

But I can`t get the tools working fine

Fernando

On 5/24/07, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru <catalin.zamfir@theg33ks.com> wrote:
> Where can I find openmosix vor the 2.6 Kernel?! ... Please, I need this info!
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[George Robb]

If I'm not mistaken the 2.6 openmosix tools are still in developer- 
only-alpha stage.  You may need to stick with the old 2.4 kernel and  
tools to get the job done.

If any openmosix developers are on the list, is there anything we can  
do to help?   I'd love to have openmosix and tools up and running  
with a 2.6 kernel.

Thanks,

George



On May 24, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Fernando Spencer wrote:

> Hello Catalin,
>
> I got here:
>
> http://openmosix.unfreeze.net/releases/kernels/
>
> But I can`t get the tools working fine
>
> Fernando
>
> On 5/24/07, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru <catalin.zamfir@theg33ks.com>  
> wrote:
>> Where can I find openmosix vor the 2.6 Kernel?! ... Please, I need  
>> this info!
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Dan Farrell]

On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:09:13 -0500
George Robb <forgeman@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken the 2.6 openmosix tools are still in developer- 
> only-alpha stage.  You may need to stick with the old 2.4 kernel and  
> tools to get the job done.
> 
> If any openmosix developers are on the list, is there anything we
> can do to help?   I'd love to have openmosix and tools up and
> running with a 2.6 kernel.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Fernando Spencer wrote:
> 
> > Hello Catalin,
> >
> > I got here:
> >
> > http://openmosix.unfreeze.net/releases/kernels/
> >
> > But I can`t get the tools working fine
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru <catalin.zamfir@theg33ks.com>  
> > wrote:
> >> Where can I find openmosix vor the 2.6 Kernel?! ... Please, I
> >> need this info!
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> >
> 

I want open mosix too, but with no tools have been forced to find other
alternatives.  
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RE: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Joshua Morris]

What other alternatives are there?  Can anyone share their installation
tips and help some of us that are new to clustering but familiar with
Gentoo.  I am looking to build something when I can run multiple vm's on
a cluster and load balance the vm's across the cluster.  Anyone doing
anything similar to this?

Thank you,
Joshua
 
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From: Dan Farrell [mailto:dan@spore.ath.cx] 
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:09:13 -0500
George Robb <forgeman@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken the 2.6 openmosix tools are still in developer- 
> only-alpha stage.  You may need to stick with the old 2.4 kernel and  
> tools to get the job done.
> 
> If any openmosix developers are on the list, is there anything we
> can do to help?   I'd love to have openmosix and tools up and
> running with a 2.6 kernel.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2007, at 8:41 AM, Fernando Spencer wrote:
> 
> > Hello Catalin,
> >
> > I got here:
> >
> > http://openmosix.unfreeze.net/releases/kernels/
> >
> > But I can`t get the tools working fine
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Catalin Zamfir Alexandru <catalin.zamfir@theg33ks.com>  
> > wrote:
> >> Where can I find openmosix vor the 2.6 Kernel?! ... Please, I
> >> need this info!
> > -- 
> > gentoo-cluster@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> 

I want open mosix too, but with no tools have been forced to find other
alternatives.  
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Ted Rodgers]

Joshua Morris wrote:
> What other alternatives are there?  Can anyone share their installation
> tips and help some of us that are new to clustering but familiar with
> Gentoo.  I am looking to build something when I can run multiple vm's on
> a cluster and load balance the vm's across the cluster.  Anyone doing
> anything similar to this?
>
> Thank you,
> Joshua
>   
We've been asking the same question where I work.  We're wanting to 
re-do and increase performance in a few lab setups and thought openmosix 
would be a great option.  If there aren't tools available for a 2.6 
kernel, we may have to keep using the current setup: NIS / NFS / autofs 
/ afs setup with users loging in to specific machines.  One group tried 
condor, but really isn't happy with it at all.

Any suggestions?

Ted Rodgers
Robotics, CMU
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[José Costa]

Well, have you tried with Linux-HA using Xen OCF Resource Agent?

On 5/24/07, Ted Rodgers <trodgers@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Joshua Morris wrote:
> > What other alternatives are there?  Can anyone share their installation
> > tips and help some of us that are new to clustering but familiar with
> > Gentoo.  I am looking to build something when I can run multiple vm's on
> > a cluster and load balance the vm's across the cluster.  Anyone doing
> > anything similar to this?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Joshua
> >
> We've been asking the same question where I work.  We're wanting to
> re-do and increase performance in a few lab setups and thought openmosix
> would be a great option.  If there aren't tools available for a 2.6
> kernel, we may have to keep using the current setup: NIS / NFS / autofs
> / afs setup with users loging in to specific machines.  One group tried
> condor, but really isn't happy with it at all.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Ted Rodgers
> Robotics, CMU
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>
>
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Ted Rodgers]

Afaik, xen tools are only for virtual hosts, which wouldn't help us 
much.  Our lab machines get hit pretty hard by matlab users, so it's not 
something that would virtualize well.  The current setup isn't really 
clustered at all, it's a rack and lab setup sharing home directories and 
automounts using NIS.  I liked the idea of letting something like 
openmosix doing workload balancing between machines without having to 
write wrapper scripts around the jobs.

The ideal setup would have one machine were students/researchers log 
into, fire up the process, then have a management tool that determines 
where it runs.  Users logging into random machines to run their jobs 
means sometimes 5 machines are idle while another machine is heavily 
loaded.   A central login point would also allow us to restrict direct 
access to all the other machines.

Ted





José Costa wrote:
> Well, have you tried with Linux-HA using Xen OCF Resource Agent?
>
> On 5/24/07, Ted Rodgers <trodgers@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> Joshua Morris wrote:
>> > What other alternatives are there?  Can anyone share their 
>> installation
>> > tips and help some of us that are new to clustering but familiar with
>> > Gentoo.  I am looking to build something when I can run multiple 
>> vm's on
>> > a cluster and load balance the vm's across the cluster.  Anyone doing
>> > anything similar to this?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Joshua
>> >
>> We've been asking the same question where I work.  We're wanting to
>> re-do and increase performance in a few lab setups and thought openmosix
>> would be a great option.  If there aren't tools available for a 2.6
>> kernel, we may have to keep using the current setup: NIS / NFS / autofs
>> / afs setup with users loging in to specific machines.  One group tried
>> condor, but really isn't happy with it at all.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Ted Rodgers
>> Robotics, CMU
>> -- 
>> gentoo-cluster@gentoo.org mailing list
>>
>>

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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:05:37 -0400
Ted Rodgers <trodgers@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Afaik, xen tools are only for virtual hosts, which wouldn't help us 
> much.  Our lab machines get hit pretty hard by matlab users, so it's
> not something that would virtualize well.  The current setup isn't
> really clustered at all, it's a rack and lab setup sharing home
> directories and automounts using NIS.  I liked the idea of letting
> something like openmosix doing workload balancing between machines
> without having to write wrapper scripts around the jobs.
> 
> The ideal setup would have one machine were students/researchers log 
> into, fire up the process, then have a management tool that
> determines where it runs.  Users logging into random machines to run
> their jobs means sometimes 5 machines are idle while another machine
> is heavily loaded.   A central login point would also allow us to
> restrict direct access to all the other machines.
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> José Costa wrote:
> > Well, have you tried with Linux-HA using Xen OCF Resource Agent?
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Ted Rodgers <trodgers@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> >> Joshua Morris wrote:
> >> > What other alternatives are there?  Can anyone share their 
> >> installation
> >> > tips and help some of us that are new to clustering but familiar
> >> > with Gentoo.  I am looking to build something when I can run
> >> > multiple 
> >> vm's on
> >> > a cluster and load balance the vm's across the cluster.  Anyone
> >> > doing anything similar to this?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Joshua
> >> >
> >> We've been asking the same question where I work.  We're wanting to
> >> re-do and increase performance in a few lab setups and thought
> >> openmosix would be a great option.  If there aren't tools
> >> available for a 2.6 kernel, we may have to keep using the current
> >> setup: NIS / NFS / autofs / afs setup with users loging in to
> >> specific machines.  One group tried condor, but really isn't happy
> >> with it at all.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Ted Rodgers
> >> Robotics, CMU
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> >>
> >>
> 
Couldn't you implement a rudimentary load-balancing system with
multiple cname entries in dns?
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Konstantin V. Arkhipov]

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On Thursday 24 May 2007 20:01:08 Joshua Morris wrote:
> What other alternatives are there?

http://www.kerrighed.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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http://openssi.org/

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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Cocoy Dayao]

On 05 25, 07, at 5:31 AM, Konstantin V. Arkhipov wrote:

> On Thursday 24 May 2007 20:01:08 Joshua Morris wrote:
>> What other alternatives are there?
>
> http://www.kerrighed.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>

i too would like openmosix... but it is too alpha for me.

wow, kerrighed looks interesting. have any of you tried it? how does  
it perform?

cheers
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] openmosix

[Jimmy Rosen]

I've deployed openmosix in several academic and industry environments. 
It has worked very well in those cases, with efficient dynamic load 
balancing and transparent process migration.
This is for the 2.4 kernel series, which is the stable release as of 
yet. The tools work very well for that and the setups require very 
little maintainance and have uptimes that are only limited by 
hardware failures, machine relocations, and other such hassles of 
divine nature. Although I have actually managed to hot swap machines 
in running clusters, even servers on a few occasions.
I have not tried the 2.6 series yet, since I trust the developers when 
they say it is not stable release yet.

If you can live with the 2.4 kernel series then openmosix is excellent 
in a wide range of application environments.
Otherwise there are some other alternatives that I know of:
openmosix.org
kerrighed.org
openssi.eu
All have strengths and weaknesses. OpenMosix was the most suitable for 
the use cases I've encountered

Harebrafolk
Jimmy Rosen


On Thursday 24 May 2007 14:45, Fernando Spencer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm running Gentoo 2007 on 9 machines, 5 dual xeon 3.0Mhz and 4
> dual PIII 1.4Mhz, with 6gb of ram. I installed an openmosix kernel
> (2.6.17), but I can't get openmosix tools working, they don't
> compile or don't work fine. I tried omuscd, but I get "No candidate
> process"
>
> Is there a way to distribute process around the boxes transparently
> using the network with gentoo?
>
> What softwares are you using ?
>
> Fernando
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