From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GAUUW-000439-MD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:31:41 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k78GJgUG031273; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:19:42 GMT Received: from COUNTY.co.wabasha.mn.us (county.co.wabasha.mn.us [156.99.25.253]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k78GJeJR026002 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:19:41 GMT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [gentoo-catalyst] Wiki document Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-catalyst@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB06.3BCC06A4" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:18:07 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81bfc67a0608080901q4f2e2ee2vd05294a0bdd01e38@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [gentoo-catalyst] Wiki document Thread-Index: Aca7A8QgPy4Pq1aoQ+u44Egqmquu9gAAGMMA From: "Kessler, Paul" To: X-Archives-Salt: f872eb12-0d62-42f6-9243-2e6f4adadda0 X-Archives-Hash: dcfd108ba16973a314a59bdd0c640978 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB06.3BCC06A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it me or does the Catalyst Wiki entry have about as much to do with the official documentation as what color shorts I have on does? I'm sorry but people like Chris, Andrew, Eric and many others who develop projects like Catalyst and Genkernel are doing far more than giving presentations at a lug. These are people with full time careers and families that still put in an ungodly amount of time to make Gentoo what it is. Instead of complaining how about just saying thank you. They have all helped me a great deal on many occasions and when the opportunity presents itself I make sure to buy the beer. I guess if that is so hard to grasp I hear Debian is looking... =20 Paul=20 =20 ________________________________ From: Caleb Cushing [mailto:xenoterracide@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:01 AM To: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Wiki document =20 you mean besides starting the portage 2.1 thread trying to sort out the new features? and considering updating the wiki for catalyst? volunteering for user representative at gentoo, and giving presentations frequently at my local lug? studying school doing my 40 hour a week internship, and I somewhat aided with other docs in the past, filing bugs to add, update, or remove sections. So I suppose I've done nothing to help gentoo or the linux community? no need to get so offended... I applaud the fact that catalyst2 won't be made stable without proper documentation, and a how to is planned. believe it or not I'm willing to help. but I can't help a project I don't understand. but I don't like it when software is rolled out as STABLE without proper documentation and months later it still doesn't have it. I guess I will have to write it myself question is will it make it into the tree? I'll see what I can do in the next few weeks to get the portage utilities man pages in the next few weeks and make an update to the portage manpage. I'm not coming down on you, and gentoo generally has the best documentation around, however I notice many new tools (gentoo specific) are lacking it.=20 On 8/8/06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 10:55 -0400, Caleb Cushing wrote: > finally someone is writing documentation? for something this year? > I thought docs were on hold for 06? know if portage > docs will be updated too? sorry for the sarcasm... I just think some > things that should have been documented weren't. catalyst not > necessarily one of those things although a bit more would have been=20 > nice... You know, was there really a point in this? I'm a volunteer. I spend about 40 hours a week working on Gentoo stuff, besides my normal 40 hour a week job. You're complaining because what I volunteer on wasn't done to your satisfaction? Seriously, keep this kind of opinion to yourself. I don't care to hear it, and it doesn't contribute anything to the conversation. What did *you* do to help get documentation done?=20 -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB06.3BCC06A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is it me or does the Catalyst Wiki = entry have about as much to do with the official documentation as what color = shorts I have on does? I’m sorry but people like Chris, Andrew, Eric and = many others who develop projects like Catalyst and Genkernel are doing far = more than giving presentations at a lug. These are people with full time careers = and families that still put in an ungodly amount of time to make Gentoo what = it is. Instead of complaining how about just saying thank you. They have all = helped me a great deal on many occasions and when the opportunity presents itself = I make sure to buy the beer. I guess if that is so hard to grasp I hear Debian = is looking…

 

Paul

 

From: Caleb = Cushing [mailto:xenoterracide@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, = 2006 11:01 AM
To: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: = [gentoo-catalyst] Wiki document

 

you mean = besides starting the portage 2.1 thread trying to sort out the new features? and = considering updating the wiki for catalyst? volunteering for user representative at = gentoo, and giving presentations frequently at my local lug? studying school = doing my 40 hour a week internship, and I somewhat aided with other docs in the = past, filing bugs to add, update, or remove sections. So I suppose I've done = nothing to help gentoo or the linux community? no need to get so offended... I = applaud the fact that catalyst2 won't be made stable without proper = documentation, and a how to is planned. believe it or not I'm willing to help. but I can't = help a project I don't understand. but I don't like it when software is rolled = out as STABLE without proper documentation and months later it still doesn't = have it. I guess I will have to write it myself question is will it make it into = the tree? I'll see what I can do in the next few weeks to get the portage = utilities man pages in the next few weeks and make an update to the portage = manpage. I'm not coming down on you, and gentoo generally has the best documentation = around, however I notice many new tools (gentoo specific) are lacking it. =

On 8/8/06, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:

On Tue, = 2006-08-08 at 10:55 -0400, Caleb Cushing wrote:
> finally someone is writing documentation? for something this = year?
> <sarcasm>I thought docs were on hold for 06?</sarcasm> = know if portage
> docs will be updated too? sorry for the sarcasm... I just think = some
> things that should have been documented weren't. catalyst not
> necessarily one of those things although a bit more would have been =
> nice...

You know, was there really a point in this?

I'm a volunteer.  I spend about 40 hours a week working on = Gentoo stuff,
besides my normal 40 hour a week job.  You're complaining = because what I
volunteer on wasn't done to your satisfaction?  Seriously, = keep this
kind of opinion to yourself.  I don't care to hear it, and it = doesn't
contribute anything to the conversation.

What did *you* do to help get documentation done?

--
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead
x86 Architecture Team
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

 

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