[gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[Brian Dolbec]

On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 05:08 +0400, Dmitry Selyutin wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> 
> 
> My name is Dmitry and I'm writing here because I've found a proposal
> to rewrite Catalyst in Gentoo GSoC-2013 Ideas page[1]. I know that
> application period hasn't started yet, but I already think that I'd
> like to take up this job. However I've found that before posting
> application I must perform some actions:
> 
> 
> 1. Use the tools that you will use in your project to make changes to
> code.

This is the big one.  To be able to work on catalyst, you first must be
running and using gentoo linux and be familiar with it.  Gentoo's
package management tools are central to running and using catalyst to
build various output media.  If you are not already using gentoo, you
best get a partition free and install it asap. Become familiar with it. 

tools to be familiar with:

portage and it's cli tools, emerge, emaint, portageq 
gentoolkit's equery, eclean

You must be familiar with using the above tools and solving build
problems and package installation failures.

Then start trying to use catalyst to generate some targets.

This is all information that will need for you to succeed in your
project proposal.


> 2. Participate in our development community.
> 3. Give us your contact info and working hours.
> 

[snip]...

>  The other question is that it is really hard to find some project
> which uses python and emit patch to it to pass requirements. Could you
> advice a good bug, please? :-)
> 
> 
Don't worry about that yet.  It is early :)

> If you think I have a chance, I can even answer the third question
> (about work hours, contacts, etc.). :-)
> 
> 
> Looking forward to your answers!
> 

This will be something for your actual proposal.  It can be done later.

> 
> P.S. Thanks for being so patience to read such a long letter till the
> end!
> 

> -- 
> With best regards,
> Dmitry Selyutin
> 
> E-mail: ghostmansd@gmail.com
> Phone: +7(985)334-07-70

[gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[Dmitry Selyutin]

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Hello Brian!

Thanks for the fast answer!
The biggest problem is that I've used only Kubuntu (for one year) and since
that time I've been using openSUSE (for more than two years already). Is it
hard for novice to use Gentoo if I know only basics of C and C++ and prefer
to set up system using GUI rather than shell if it is possible (though
sometimes I've had to change some things using shell before)?

P.S. Will it be enough to setup Gentoo as virtual system like VirtualBox?
Or it is better to free partition?


2013/4/21 Brian Dolbec <dolsen@gentoo.org>

> On Sun, 2013-04-21 at 05:08 +0400, Dmitry Selyutin wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> >
> > My name is Dmitry and I'm writing here because I've found a proposal
> > to rewrite Catalyst in Gentoo GSoC-2013 Ideas page[1]. I know that
> > application period hasn't started yet, but I already think that I'd
> > like to take up this job. However I've found that before posting
> > application I must perform some actions:
> >
> >
> > 1. Use the tools that you will use in your project to make changes to
> > code.
>
> This is the big one.  To be able to work on catalyst, you first must be
> running and using gentoo linux and be familiar with it.  Gentoo's
> package management tools are central to running and using catalyst to
> build various output media.  If you are not already using gentoo, you
> best get a partition free and install it asap. Become familiar with it.
>
> tools to be familiar with:
>
> portage and it's cli tools, emerge, emaint, portageq
> gentoolkit's equery, eclean
>
> You must be familiar with using the above tools and solving build
> problems and package installation failures.
>
> Then start trying to use catalyst to generate some targets.
>
> This is all information that will need for you to succeed in your
> project proposal.
>
>
> > 2. Participate in our development community.
> > 3. Give us your contact info and working hours.
> >
>
> [snip]...
>
> >  The other question is that it is really hard to find some project
> > which uses python and emit patch to it to pass requirements. Could you
> > advice a good bug, please? :-)
> >
> >
> Don't worry about that yet.  It is early :)
>
> > If you think I have a chance, I can even answer the third question
> > (about work hours, contacts, etc.). :-)
> >
> >
> > Looking forward to your answers!
> >
>
> This will be something for your actual proposal.  It can be done later.
>
> >
> > P.S. Thanks for being so patience to read such a long letter till the
> > end!
> >
>
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Dmitry Selyutin
> >
> > E-mail: ghostmansd@gmail.com
> > Phone: +7(985)334-07-70
>
>
>
>


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With best regards,
Dmitry Selyutin

E-mail: ghostmansd@gmail.com
Phone: +7(985)334-07-70

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[W. Trevor King]

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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:55:11PM +0400, Dmitry Selyutin wrote:
> The biggest problem is that I've used only Kubuntu (for one year)
> and since that time I've been using openSUSE (for more than two
> years already).
> [snip]
> P.S. Will it be enough to setup Gentoo as virtual system like
> VirtualBox?  Or it is better to free partition?

You don't *need* a separate partition.  For example, I run catalyst
out of a chroot on an Ubuntu machine at work (on a machine that's
maintained by a non-Gentoo sysadmin).  However, the main catalyst devs
are probably running catalyst on native Gentoo systems, which means
that there may be a few kinks to work out if you want to go a
different route [1].

Since system-building is a fairly resource intensive task, I'd
recommend not using a full-blown virtual system unless you have to.

Cheers,
Trevor

[1]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462542

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[gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[Brian Dolbec]

On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 21:55 +0400, Dmitry Selyutin wrote:
> Hello Brian!
> 
> 
> Thanks for the fast answer!
> The biggest problem is that I've used only Kubuntu (for one year) and
> since that time I've been using openSUSE (for more than two years
> already). Is it hard for novice to use Gentoo if I know only basics of
> C and C++ and prefer to set up system using GUI rather than shell if
> it is possible (though sometimes I've had to change some things using
> shell before)?
> 

Terminal, command line work in gentoo is not that difficult.  But this
project will be mostly terminal based with regards to testing/debugging
catalyst.  Gui work will be limited to using an editor, browser and
perhaps a git gui frontend like gitg.

> 
> P.S. Will it be enough to setup Gentoo as virtual system like
> VirtualBox? Or it is better to free partition?
> 

Well, I think you've had enough replies to this question already.
Just get started so you will know enough about gentoo to be able to put
together a decent proposal that shows some understanding of gentoo's
package management system, configuration and operation of catalyst.

> -- 
> With best regards,
> Dmitry Selyutin
> 
> E-mail: ghostmansd@gmail.com
> Phone: +7(985)334-07-70

[gentoo-catalyst] Re: [gentoo-soc] Catalyst Python reimplementation

[Dmitry Selyutin]

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Hello everyone!

First of all I want to apologize that I've not been here for some days: I
needed to study some Gentoo basics, install system, read some documentation
about Gentoo and catalyst to understand better whether I want to give a
try. Now I'm even more sure than before than I'd like to try, since I
already like Gentoo and especially its package system and now use it as my
main (and, to be honest, not main, but only) system. I've publicated my
proposal at GSoC Melange site[1]. I'm open to criticism and suggestions, of
course. :-)

Thanks again for help and attention!

[1]
https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ghostmansd/20001

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With best regards,
Dmitry Selyutin

E-mail: ghostmansd@gmail.com
Phone: +7(985)334-07-70

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