[gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Robert C Corsaro]

I am following the HOWTO at 
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_with_Catalyst_for_newbies.

I've tried moving the package that requires intltool to the stage2 part 
and that causes the same error in the stage2 build.  I couldn't find 
anyone with the same problem in the list archive, which makes me think 
I'm doing something wrong.  I can post my catalyst config files if 
anyone would like them.

The configure part that checks for XML::Parser just runs 'perl -e 
"require XML::Parser"'.  I research a little and it looks like the 
package is failing to load because of a link error with expat.  The 
recommended solution is to do a revdep-rebuild, but I'm not sure how to 
accomplish this with a stage1 build.

dev-perl/XML-Parser is definitely installed.  I'm using the 
release/current stage3 archive for this build.  I also tried the 2007.0 
release with no luck.  Perhaps I need a newer stage3?

 >>> Emerging (127 of 173) dev-util/intltool-0.35.5 to /
  * This profile has not been tested thoroughly and is not considered to be
  * a supported server profile at this time.  For a supported server
  * profile, please check the Hardened project (http://hardened.gentoo.org).

  * This profile is merely a convenience for people who require a more
  * minimal profile, yet are unable to use hardened due to restrictions in
  * the software being used on the server. This profile should also be used
  * if you require GCC 4.1 or Glibc 2.4 support. If you don't know if this
  * applies to you, then it doesn't and you should probably be using
  * Hardened, instead.

  * Applying intltool-0.35.5-update.patch ... 
                             [ ok ]
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is 
required for intltool
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Andrew Gaffney]

Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> Perhaps I need a newer stage3?

Yes, you do. You should *always* build a full set of stages (1-3) using the same 
snapshot you're using to build your CD. This avoids upgrade problems like this.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Robert C Corsaro]

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>> Perhaps I need a newer stage3?
> 
> Yes, you do. You should *always* build a full set of stages (1-3) using 
> the same snapshot you're using to build your CD. This avoids upgrade 
> problems like this.
> 

Should I update that howto?  It recommends getting the stage3 off a mirror.
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Andrew Gaffney]

Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>> Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>>> Perhaps I need a newer stage3?
>>
>> Yes, you do. You should *always* build a full set of stages (1-3) 
>> using the same snapshot you're using to build your CD. This avoids 
>> upgrade problems like this.
>>
> 
> Should I update that howto?  It recommends getting the stage3 off a mirror.

If you want. We didn't write it, nor do we maintain it. Everything on 
gentoo-wiki is completely unofficial, which usually means that it's wrong to 
some degree or another.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Daniel Díaz]

Hello!


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Robert C Corsaro <rcorsaro@optaros.com> wrote:
> Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>  > Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>  >> Perhaps I need a newer stage3?
>  >
>  > Yes, you do. You should *always* build a full set of stages (1-3) using
>  > the same snapshot you're using to build your CD. This avoids upgrade
>  > problems like this.
>  >
>
>  Should I update that howto?  It recommends getting the stage3 off a mirror.

I just noticed the Wiki page has been updated. Thanks many! I'm sure
many have been bitten by that bug, and even if that document out of
this project's scope, surely that'll keep people that found it somehow
useful (like you) from falling for that.

Thanks and greetings!

Daniel Díaz
yosoy@danieldiaz.org
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:33 -0600, Daniel Díaz wrote:
> >  Should I update that howto?  It recommends getting the stage3 off a mirror.
> 
> I just noticed the Wiki page has been updated. Thanks many! I'm sure
> many have been bitten by that bug, and even if that document out of
> this project's scope, surely that'll keep people that found it somehow
> useful (like you) from falling for that.

I updated it so that hopefully people will quit hitting this "bug" when
doing their own builds.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:45 -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> dev-perl/XML-Parser is definitely installed.  I'm using the 
> release/current stage3 archive for this build.  I also tried the 2007.0 
> release with no luck.  Perhaps I need a newer stage3?

Well, there's your problem.  To try to keep people from screwing this up
even though we've said it repeatedly, I edited the wiki page.

Also, the wiki is *not* an official source of Gentoo .  I wish people
would realize that.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Robert C Corsaro]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:45 -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>> dev-perl/XML-Parser is definitely installed.  I'm using the 
>> release/current stage3 archive for this build.  I also tried the 2007.0 
>> release with no luck.  Perhaps I need a newer stage3?
> 
> Well, there's your problem.  To try to keep people from screwing this up
> even though we've said it repeatedly, I edited the wiki page.
> 
> Also, the wiki is *not* an official source of Gentoo .  I wish people
> would realize that.
> 

I think that the problem is, there is no "official documentation" AFAIK. 
  The catalyst page points to the newbie wiki as the best source of 
documentation.  It was the only path I could find to understanding how 
to use catalyst.  Saying it's not official documentation is fine, but it 
will still help reduce the amount of questions asked here to try and 
make it 'right'(which I have no problem doing).  I'm sorry if the 
information I was looking for is written down somewhere and I didn't 
find it.  If it is, perhaps we can add that docs location to the 
catalyst page.  I did search the mailing list archive and didn't see my 
problem.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough?  If not, sorry for wasting 
time.  I know it sucks to answer the same question over and over.

BTW, catalyst is awesome, so thanks to everyone who worked on it.
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Andrew Gaffney]

Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>  The catalyst page points to the newbie wiki as the best source of 
> documentation.

What catalyst page? We don't point to gentoo-wiki in any official gentoo 
documents. If you're talking about the catalyst page on gentoo-wiki, again, we 
don't know or care :P

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Robert C Corsaro]

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Robert C Corsaro wrote:
>>  The catalyst page points to the newbie wiki as the best source of 
>> documentation.
> 
> What catalyst page? We don't point to gentoo-wiki in any official gentoo 
> documents. If you're talking about the catalyst page on gentoo-wiki, 
> again, we don't know or care :P
> 
lol.  I was mistaken about that, sorry.  Let me ask a simple question. 
What is the recommended way to learn to use catalyst?
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:25 -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> What is the recommended way to learn to use catalyst?

# emerge catalyst
# mkdir -p /release
# cd /release
# svn co svn://svn.gentoo.org/releng
# cd releng/trunk/releases/2007.0/specs/amd64
# sed -i 's:/root/livecd/kconfig/2007.0/amd64:../../kconfig/amd64:' *.spec
# mkdir -p /var/tmp/catalyst/snapshots
# cd /var/tmp/catalyst/snapshots
# wget http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/snapshots/portage-2007.0.tar.bz2
# mkdir -p /var/tmp/catalyst/builds/default
# cd /var/tmp/catalyst/builds/default
# wget http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/amd64/2006.1/stages/stage3-amd64-2006.1.tar.bz2

Now, at this point, you'll have a proper checkout and be ready to go.  I
don't recommend using the 2008.0 specs until after they're finalized and
the release is made.

It's very simple.  Start with stage1, then stage2, then stage3, then
proceed on to your different CD media.  I'd suggest starting with
installcd-stage1, rather than livecd-stage1.  Make changes.  See what
those changes actually end up doing.  Read the specs
in /usr/share/doc/catalyst-*/examples...

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 11:14 -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> > Also, the wiki is *not* an official source of Gentoo .  I wish people
> > would realize that.
> > 
> 
> I think that the problem is, there is no "official documentation" AFAIK.

Yes, there is.  Try to emerge catalyst again and read what it actually
says.  There is no *web* documentation.

>   The catalyst page points to the newbie wiki as the best source of 
> documentation.  It was the only path I could find to understanding how 
> to use catalyst.  Saying it's not official documentation is fine, but it

Umm... no.  The catalyst page most definitely does *not* point to
*anything* on gentoo-wiki.  I'm guessing you mean some random catalyst
page on gentoo-wiki, don't you?

> will still help reduce the amount of questions asked here to try and 
> make it 'right'(which I have no problem doing).  I'm sorry if the 
> information I was looking for is written down somewhere and I didn't 
> find it.  If it is, perhaps we can add that docs location to the 
> catalyst page.  I did search the mailing list archive and didn't see my 
> problem.  Maybe I didn't look hard enough?  If not, sorry for wasting 
> time.  I know it sucks to answer the same question over and over.

Every livecd-stage1 "blocker" issue ever reported has been this same
issue.  I know it's hit this list a few times, but would likely be
difficult to search and find, since I bet most people would search for
the package in question, rather than the action being taken.

> BTW, catalyst is awesome, so thanks to everyone who worked on it.

Well, check out AUTHORS and send them beer.  ;]

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Robert C Corsaro]

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Every livecd-stage1 "blocker" issue ever reported has been this same
> issue.  I know it's hit this list a few times, but would likely be
> difficult to search and find, since I bet most people would search for
> the package in question, rather than the action being taken.

BTW. I built my own stage 1-3 with my current portage snapshot and tried 
again.  Same problem.  I ended up chrooting into the env. and trying to 
run 'perl -e "require XML::Parser"' and it was looking for 
libexpat.0.so.  I don't really understand why, because I could plainly 
see it emerging XML::Parser and my box does not display this behavior. 
I ended up just symlinking libexpat.0.so to libexpat.1.so.  Probably 
extremely dumb.. but hey, it's working.  Maybe I can help out with an 
official HOWTO, if you guys would like one.

> 
>> BTW, catalyst is awesome, so thanks to everyone who worked on it.
> 
> Well, check out AUTHORS and send them beer.  ;]
> 
Send beer?!  Anyone live in Boston? ;)

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 13:16 -0400, Robert C Corsaro wrote:
> > Well, check out AUTHORS and send them beer.  ;]
> > 
> Send beer?!  Anyone live in Boston? ;)

Dammit.  I knew I should have taken the job in Boston and not Mountain
View.  ;]

I plan on starting up a fairly comprehensive manual for catalyst after
this coming release.

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Daniel Díaz]

Hello!

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
[...]
>  I plan on starting up a fairly comprehensive manual for catalyst after
>  this coming release.

Chris, if I can be of any help please let me know . Somebody else
might be interested too in collaborating developing a good reference
manual.

Greetings!

Daniel Díaz
yosoy@danieldiaz.org
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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 18:23 -0600, Daniel Díaz wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> [...]
> >  I plan on starting up a fairly comprehensive manual for catalyst after
> >  this coming release.
> 
> Chris, if I can be of any help please let me know . Somebody else
> might be interested too in collaborating developing a good reference
> manual.

Absolutely, I plan on starting it simply as a listing of every spec file
key available in each target, but from there, plan on writing up a
simple "howto" which will slowly expand into a comprehensive manual.

I would definitely be interested in help.  Do you know GuideXML?

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Re: [gentoo-catalyst] livecd-stage1 problem

[Daniel Díaz]

Hello!

(Sorry I was out -- something kept me busy in the real world Mon-Wed.)


On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 18:23 -0600, Daniel Díaz wrote:
>  > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  > [...]
>  > >  I plan on starting up a fairly comprehensive manual for catalyst after
>  > >  this coming release.
>  >
>  > Chris, if I can be of any help please let me know . Somebody else
>  > might be interested too in collaborating developing a good reference
>  > manual.
>
>  Absolutely, I plan on starting it simply as a listing of every spec file
>  key available in each target, but from there, plan on writing up a
>  simple "howto" which will slowly expand into a comprehensive manual.
>
>  I would definitely be interested in help.  Do you know GuideXML?

I didn't, but now I do! The Gentoo GuideXML Guide is quite a good reference.

Let me know if I can help with formatting of the list of spec files.

Greetings!

Daniel Díaz
yosoy@danieldiaz.org



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