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* [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
@ 2009-08-23 10:34 "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-23 15:15 ` Andrew Gaffney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-23 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

I have a problem with app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 in stage1.

====
>>> Emerging binary (27 of 63) app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7
!!! Error Extracting '/usr/portage/packages/All/lzma-utils-4.32.7.tbz2'
>>> Failed to emerge app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7, Log file:
>>>  '/var/tmp/portage/app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7/temp/build.log'
>>> Extracting info
>>> Extracting app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7
====

A manual tar tjvf complains about trailing garbage. emerge in console
works just fine. Could it be, that catalyst is confused by a non-0
return value from tar (although tar ignores the problem) and stops
the build?
I tried to repackage the lzma-utils, but then ran into similar problems
with eselect, help2man etc. So it seems to be a catalyst-related problem.

Thanks for any hints,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-23 10:34 [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-23 15:15 ` Andrew Gaffney
  2009-08-23 19:22   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Gaffney @ 2009-08-23 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

On 08/23/2009 05:34 AM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
> A manual tar tjvf complains about trailing garbage. emerge in console
> works just fine. Could it be, that catalyst is confused by a non-0
> return value from tar (although tar ignores the problem) and stops
> the build?

Catalyst doesn't see that non-zero exit code. All catalyst does it call portage, 
which then does the extracting.

-- 
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Gentoo Linux Developer            Catalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering Lead



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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-23 15:15 ` Andrew Gaffney
@ 2009-08-23 19:22   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-23 20:35     ` Andrew Gaffney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-23 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:15:21 -0500
> Von: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

> On 08/23/2009 05:34 AM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
> > A manual tar tjvf complains about trailing garbage. emerge in console
> > works just fine. Could it be, that catalyst is confused by a non-0
> > return value from tar (although tar ignores the problem) and stops
> > the build?
> 
> Catalyst doesn't see that non-zero exit code. All catalyst does it call
> portage, 
> which then does the extracting.

And portage passes the exit code to catalyst which stops the build
process, right? 

Ciao,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-23 19:22   ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-23 20:35     ` Andrew Gaffney
  2009-08-24  9:09       ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Gaffney @ 2009-08-23 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

On 08/23/2009 02:22 PM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
> Hi!
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:15:21 -0500
>> Von: Andrew Gaffney<agaffney@gentoo.org>
>> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
>> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
>
>> On 08/23/2009 05:34 AM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
>>> A manual tar tjvf complains about trailing garbage. emerge in console
>>> works just fine. Could it be, that catalyst is confused by a non-0
>>> return value from tar (although tar ignores the problem) and stops
>>> the build?
>> Catalyst doesn't see that non-zero exit code. All catalyst does it call
>> portage,
>> which then does the extracting.
>
> And portage passes the exit code to catalyst which stops the build
> process, right?

Yes, but that's not a catalyst problem.

-- 
Andrew Gaffney                                 http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer            Catalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering Lead



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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-23 20:35     ` Andrew Gaffney
@ 2009-08-24  9:09       ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-24 14:13         ` Andrew Gaffney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-24  9:09 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:35:55 -0500
> Von: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

--<snip>--

> >> Catalyst doesn't see that non-zero exit code. All catalyst does it call
> >> portage,
> >> which then does the extracting.
> >
> > And portage passes the exit code to catalyst which stops the build
> > process, right?
> 
> Yes, but that's not a catalyst problem.

Hmmh...what's the solution, you would propose? It's just because
in console, portage installs (and obviously extracts) the lzma-utils
just fine, which confuses me a bit...

Thanks in advance,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24  9:09       ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-24 14:13         ` Andrew Gaffney
  2009-08-24 21:09           ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Gaffney @ 2009-08-24 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

On 08/24/2009 04:09 AM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
> Hi!
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:35:55 -0500
>> Von: Andrew Gaffney<agaffney@gentoo.org>
>> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
>> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
>
> --<snip>--
>
>>>> Catalyst doesn't see that non-zero exit code. All catalyst does it call
>>>> portage,
>>>> which then does the extracting.
>>> And portage passes the exit code to catalyst which stops the build
>>> process, right?
>> Yes, but that's not a catalyst problem.
>
> Hmmh...what's the solution, you would propose? It's just because
> in console, portage installs (and obviously extracts) the lzma-utils
> just fine, which confuses me a bit...

It's a binpkg that failing to emerge in catalyst. Are you absolutely positive 
that you're testing with the same binpkg? You can try just deleting that 
particular binpkg and letting it compile again.

-- 
Andrew Gaffney                                 http://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/
Gentoo Linux Developer            Catalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering Lead



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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 14:13         ` Andrew Gaffney
@ 2009-08-24 21:09           ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-24 21:30             ` Michael Zanetta
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-24 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:13:52 -0500
> Von: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

--<snip>--

> > Hmmh...what's the solution, you would propose? It's just because
> > in console, portage installs (and obviously extracts) the lzma-utils
> > just fine, which confuses me a bit...
> 
> It's a binpkg that failing to emerge in catalyst. Are you absolutely
> positive 
> that you're testing with the same binpkg? You can try just deleting that 
> particular binpkg and letting it compile again.

??? As I understand it, the problem is in the tar file, containing
the lzma-utils sources. I tried several download sites, but all
of them had the problem with the trailing garbage.

How can I delete the binpkg? I started several new versions of my
livecd (none of them should have a precompiled binpkg), but all of them reproduced the error.

Thanks in advance,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 21:09           ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-24 21:30             ` Michael Zanetta
  2009-08-24 21:56               ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Michael Zanetta @ 2009-08-24 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi,

The problem is in the binary pkg that portage tries to emerge.
You should rm the binpkg that is typically in
/var/tmp/catalyst/packages/default/*/All/lzma-utils-4.32.7.tbz2 or in
the "storedir" var in /etc/catalyst/catalyst.conf
Altough in recent portage version you don't have the All dir anymore.
What stage are you trying to build ?

Michael

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:09 PM, "Andreas Rückert"<a_rueckert@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:13:52 -0500
>> Von: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
>> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
>> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
>
> --<snip>--
>
>> > Hmmh...what's the solution, you would propose? It's just because
>> > in console, portage installs (and obviously extracts) the lzma-utils
>> > just fine, which confuses me a bit...
>>
>> It's a binpkg that failing to emerge in catalyst. Are you absolutely
>> positive
>> that you're testing with the same binpkg? You can try just deleting that
>> particular binpkg and letting it compile again.
>
> ??? As I understand it, the problem is in the tar file, containing
> the lzma-utils sources. I tried several download sites, but all
> of them had the problem with the trailing garbage.
>
> How can I delete the binpkg? I started several new versions of my
> livecd (none of them should have a precompiled binpkg), but all of them reproduced the error.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Andreas
>
> --
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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 21:30             ` Michael Zanetta
@ 2009-08-24 21:56               ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-24 22:07                 ` Michael Zanetta
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-24 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

Thanks for your reply.

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:30:48 +0200
> Von: Michael Zanetta <grimmlin@pentoo.ch>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
 
> The problem is in the binary pkg that portage tries to emerge.
> You should rm the binpkg that is typically in
> /var/tmp/catalyst/packages/default/*/All/lzma-utils-4.32.7.tbz2 or in
> the "storedir" var in /etc/catalyst/catalyst.conf

I already removed the package in the All/ dir several times, but
then it's fetched from the net again. And the fetched package causes
the error again. 
I already tried to repackage the tbz2 file several times and placed
it in the All/ dir, but that fails at latest, when I build a new
version of the livecd.

> Altough in recent portage version you don't have the All dir anymore.
> What stage are you trying to build ?

stage 1. The livecd_stage 2 failed here with a block, so I try to
rebuild the entire chain.


Thanks in advance,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 21:56               ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-24 22:07                 ` Michael Zanetta
  2009-08-24 22:19                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-28  8:17                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Michael Zanetta @ 2009-08-24 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Well, that might not solve your blockers anyway...

You can eventually remove all the binary packages, remove the
autoresume point and try to rebuild the stage1.


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:56 PM, "Andreas Rückert"<a_rueckert@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:30:48 +0200
>> Von: Michael Zanetta <grimmlin@pentoo.ch>
>> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
>> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
>
>> The problem is in the binary pkg that portage tries to emerge.
>> You should rm the binpkg that is typically in
>> /var/tmp/catalyst/packages/default/*/All/lzma-utils-4.32.7.tbz2 or in
>> the "storedir" var in /etc/catalyst/catalyst.conf
>
> I already removed the package in the All/ dir several times, but
> then it's fetched from the net again. And the fetched package causes
> the error again.
> I already tried to repackage the tbz2 file several times and placed
> it in the All/ dir, but that fails at latest, when I build a new
> version of the livecd.
>
>> Altough in recent portage version you don't have the All dir anymore.
>> What stage are you trying to build ?
>
> stage 1. The livecd_stage 2 failed here with a block, so I try to
> rebuild the entire chain.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Andreas
>
> --
> Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 -
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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 22:07                 ` Michael Zanetta
@ 2009-08-24 22:19                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-28  8:17                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-24 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:07:04 +0200
> Von: Michael Zanetta <grimmlin@pentoo.ch>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

> Well, that might not solve your blockers anyway...

I know. As I see it, the problem is in the stage3 source stage,
but I'll try every option to get things going...

> You can eventually remove all the binary packages, remove the
> autoresume point and try to rebuild the stage1.

Thanks! Will try that tomorrow...

Ciao,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-24 22:07                 ` Michael Zanetta
  2009-08-24 22:19                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-28  8:17                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
  2009-08-28 16:14                     ` Andrew Gaffney
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-28  8:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:07:04 +0200
> Von: Michael Zanetta <grimmlin@pentoo.ch>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

> Well, that might not solve your blockers anyway...
> 
> You can eventually remove all the binary packages, remove the
> autoresume point and try to rebuild the stage1.

Thanks a lot for your hint! That solved some of my problems.

I did as you proposed, then ran stage1-3, livecd-stage1 and now
I'm stuck at livecd-stage2.

world has util-linux-2.16, genkernel requires e2fsprogs and e2fsprogs
blocks util-linux-2.16 .

I could try to remove util-linux from my stage3 source before building
stage1-3 (already did that with man-pages-2.x, which was blocking
man-pages-3), but I'm not sure yet, if util-linux is actually required
by something.

But then I wonder why genkernel depends on e2fsprogs? I could create
a livecd without a ext2 filesystem, right? (using other fs types).
genkernel could have a use-flag for e2fs then, or so.

Or did I miss something?

Thanks in advance,
Andreas

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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-28  8:17                   ` "Andreas Rückert"
@ 2009-08-28 16:14                     ` Andrew Gaffney
  2009-08-29  8:43                       ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Gaffney @ 2009-08-28 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

On 08/28/2009 03:17 AM, "Andreas Rückert" wrote:
> Hi!
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:07:04 +0200
>> Von: Michael Zanetta<grimmlin@pentoo.ch>
>> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
>> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
>
>> Well, that might not solve your blockers anyway...
>>
>> You can eventually remove all the binary packages, remove the
>> autoresume point and try to rebuild the stage1.
>
> Thanks a lot for your hint! That solved some of my problems.
>
> I did as you proposed, then ran stage1-3, livecd-stage1 and now
> I'm stuck at livecd-stage2.
>
> world has util-linux-2.16, genkernel requires e2fsprogs and e2fsprogs
> blocks util-linux-2.16 .
>
> I could try to remove util-linux from my stage3 source before building
> stage1-3 (already did that with man-pages-2.x, which was blocking
> man-pages-3), but I'm not sure yet, if util-linux is actually required
> by something.
>
> But then I wonder why genkernel depends on e2fsprogs? I could create
> a livecd without a ext2 filesystem, right? (using other fs types).
> genkernel could have a use-flag for e2fs then, or so.
>
> Or did I miss something?

It sounds like you're using mismatched snapshots and/or stage seeds.

-- 
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Gentoo Linux Developer            Catalyst/Genkernel + Release Engineering Lead



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* Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails
  2009-08-28 16:14                     ` Andrew Gaffney
@ 2009-08-29  8:43                       ` "Andreas Rückert"
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: "Andreas Rückert" @ 2009-08-29  8:43 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-catalyst

Hi!

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:14:52 -0500
> Von: Andrew Gaffney <agaffney@gentoo.org>
> An: gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org
> Betreff: Re: [gentoo-catalyst] Stage1 app-arch/lzma-utils-4.32.7 fails

--<snip>--

> > Or did I miss something?
> 
> It sounds like you're using mismatched snapshots and/or stage seeds.

I'm using 
default/stage3-no_man_pages-i686-2008.0
as my seed stage, which is stage3-i686-2008.0 with 
removed man-pages-2.x . I'm using it in stage 1-3 and 
livecd-stage1. 

The snapshot entries are generated with m4, before catalyst
is called (the whole process runs in a Makefile), so they 
should fit (I just checked the entries of stage 1 and 2, and
they are ok, but the whole system worked for years now).

I cannot remove util-linux in my snapshot, because it's not there,
as it seems.

Still no idea, why genkernel requires e2fsprogs...

Thanks in advance,
Andreas
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