From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw78c-00036O-Rg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:40:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 899AB21C0A9; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD021C073 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw785-0004Uc-5i for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:40:01 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:40:01 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:40:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Can't Emerge Thunderbird-5.0/6.0 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20110823144742.7edb5137.frank.peters@comcast.net> <201108232105.48208.ago@autistici.org> <20110823160258.a7a88f98.frank.peters@comcast.net> <20110823164505.69b03297.frank.peters@comcast.net> <1314140861.2924.0.camel@localhost> <20110823194629.97c806be.frank.peters@comcast.net> <20110824015159.09ff4018.frank.peters@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 7b22759 branch-master) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: f56cf930ff4abe0f110f4fba69fdb585 Frank Peters posted on Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:51:59 -0400 as excerpted: > Sylpheed has undergone a lot of development over the years, but I reall= y > haven't noticed. Email is a simple medium and my Sylpheed has always > been simply configured. I don't bother with any of the advanced > features. > I cannot comment on claws which I haven't used, but it is essentially > Sylpheed with a lot of extra features incorporated, and, again, it is > those features which I don't require. Thanks. You explained quite well. =3D:^) FWIW, the pkovar (Petr Kovar) name may sound familiar to you as one of=20 the sylpheed documentation maintainers (his name rather leapt out at me=20 when I was reading the docs, for reasons I'm about to explain). He's a=20 gnome guy, mainly doing translations and documentation, and doesn't claim= =20 to be a coder. However, I know him from his work with pan (gtk2/3 nntp=20 client). It seems pan's former long-time maintainer, Charles Kerr, lost interest a= =20 few years ago as he no longer does news on anything like a regular=20 basis. He asked for people to pick it up, but at first, nobody with both= =20 the skill and the interest in pan as a news client came forward. Those=20 were some dark days. Eventually (a couple years later), khaley (nobody=20 seems to know what the "k" is for, but he goes lostcoder on github)=20 cloned the repo and started, initially, mostly collecting the various=20 distro patches floating around. He (if it is indeed a he) has become the= =20 de facto community maintainer, but for whatever personal reasons, doesn't= =20 seem particularly interested, make that not interested at all, in doing=20 the gnome thing, where the bugtracker and official repo are, etc. Well a few months later here comes pkovar, without any developer skill=20 but with an interest in pan and an already active gnome account. The two= =20 did the obvious teaming, and now pkovar is the "front man", while khaley=20 is the technical side. Combined with my long-time presence on the pan=20 lists (first post in late 2002), and another developer who seems to=20 complement khaley's conservative bent with a very active experimental=20 branch, pan actually has more people working on it now than it has in a=20 very long time, at least since I've been around, perhaps ever! =3D:^) So as I said, seeing the pkovar name on the sylpheed docs was quite a=20 pleasant surprise, so while claws seems more down my alley, I'm now=20 devouring everything I happen upon (like this subthread) involving=20 sylpheed with quite some interest. At some point I may ask him similar=20 questions to what I asked you, but I haven't, yet. Meanwhile, ckerr seems to have transferred at least part of his interest=20 to transmission, the gtk-based bittorrent client. I'm not much into=20 torrenting and when I do torrent, ktorrent has been my client of choice,=20 so I don't know a whole lot about transmission, but it's interesting=20 seeing people you know from working with them on one app, working on=20 others, too. And, I guess it shows the degree to which I've become=20 involved in the community, that I can recognize the names as these people= =20 move from interest to interest, too. My personal finances, etc, have=20 never been such that I could attend conferences and the like, but the=20 connections are beginning to come, even without that. =3D:^) --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman