From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw4No-0000Tn-GS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:44:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C7BA21C317; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082D021C307 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw4N2-0004zv-Fm for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:43:16 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:43:16 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:43:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Can't Emerge Thunderbird-5.0/6.0 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20110823144742.7edb5137.frank.peters@comcast.net> <201108232105.48208.ago@autistici.org> <20110823160258.a7a88f98.frank.peters@comcast.net> <20110823164505.69b03297.frank.peters@comcast.net> <1314140861.2924.0.camel@localhost> <20110823194629.97c806be.frank.peters@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 7b22759 branch-master) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 71e6225952e571d5dfdd462692447d4c Frank Peters posted on Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:46:29 -0400 as excerpted: > Actually I much prefer Sylpheed over all other email clients and I use > it almost exclusively. Interesting. I had been a kmail user for nearly a decade, since=20 switching from MS and MSOE back in late-2001/early-2002 (when MS pushed=20 me off with eXPrivacy), but after adopting a wait-and-see attitude toward= =20 akonadi, with 4.6 I waited and saw enough, and switched to claws-mail in=20 time to avoid emerging kmail for kde 4.7. Way back when I was switching from MS and choosing my apps then, I had=20 tried sylpheed and the (then) sylpheed-claws, but something, I've long=20 forgotten what, wasn't quite right for me, and I ended up on kmail=20 instead. Of course that was a long long time ago, and features, etc,=20 have rather changed, so whatever was the problem then very likely isn't=20 one now. Anyway, I've been extremely impressed with claws-mail, using it both for=20 mail, and, in another instance (I had to set $HOME and $TMPDIR in a=20 wrapper script so it didn't try to use the mail instance) with the rss- reader plugin, for feeds (as a replacement to akregator, which seems to=20 have fallen well behind the times in its ability to filter, etc, as well=20 as the fact that while it doesn't use akonadi directly, it uses kdepim- common-libs, which pulls in akonadi even if nothing's really using it). I've long used pan for news (nntp), but after seeing how well claws works= =20 for mail and for rss and atom feeds, I'm thinking I might try it for news= =20 as well, at least for my text groups. Anyway, given that claws originated as the development version of=20 sylpheed, I've wondered what the practical differences are. I did try=20 sylpheed, but other than seeming to be a slightly older version of claws,= =20 with correspondingly slightly less features, etc, and the rather more=20 marked Japanese origin (the homesite is in English/Japanese, but some of=20 the more info links are only Japanese), I didn't see a lot of difference. So I've been wondering what the rest of the story might be, and why=20 people, at least non-Japanese (no offense, just that info's easier to=20 absorb if it's not filtered thru google translate or the like), might=20 prefer sylpheed to claws. If you could shed some light on either the=20 difference in emphasis and split, or why you personally prefer sylpheed,=20 I'd be quite interested. =3D:^) (FWIW, the only guess I have is that perhaps with the switch to gtk2, the= =20 sylpheed dev preferred not to enable customized hotkeys to the degree=20 that claws has, since as I found out, /every/ and I really do mean / every/ single bit of functionality in claws seems to be exposed with a=20 possible hotkey customization. While kde is pretty good with hotkey=20 customization most of the time, it doesn't expose /every/ little function= =20 as a hotkey, as claws seems to! I'm sort of familiar with how the gtk2=20 hotkey dump functionality works from pan, too, but claws really does seem= =20 to take configurable hotkeys to all to an /entirely/ different level. =20 It's possible the same general idea applies to the filtering and external= =20 commands functionality, too, as claws seems to be very good with that as=20 well. But that's only a guess.) > But there are times when I need to communicate to someone that is using > MS Outlook on the other end and for that purpose I will pull thunderbir= d > out of the closet and compose a message in HTML format. MS users can't > seem to appreciate, or even understand, anything else. Argh! If they want to read my mail, they can very well read it in plain=20 text, or add the HTML themselves (as effectively happens when they read=20 it in webmail, as my folks do). I'm sure if it hasn't already been done,= =20 someone could come up with a script that adds tags either randomly or=20 based on some scheme, changing fontface, fontsize, fontcolor, adding=20 graphics including graphical smileys, etc. FWIW, one of the things that's so great about claws is its html-filtering= =20 mode, which reduces everything, including all those feeds which obviously= =20 in XML, into plain text, and does a rather good job at it if I DO say=20 so! I was thinking about using gwene.org feeds2news for the feeds, since= =20 I already use gmane.org lists2news for my mailing lists, and then using=20 pan, but because the feeds are XML and pan simply parses it as plain=20 text, raw tags and all, that didn't work well AT ALL when I tried it. =20 But by then I was already using claws for mail, and noted its html2text=20 mode, so decided to try it. I've been VERY pleasantly surprised with the= =20 results, AND the speed, so far. =3D:^) Anyway, if claws can do so well at deHTMLifying things, certainly a=20 script could be designed to HTMLify things as well, for those who wished=20 it that way. I imagine it could even be designed to randomly insert=20 various webbugs, other spyware, script-aided exploits, etc. just like the= =20 real thing, so people could REALLY feel at home with their candy-over-security choice! =3D:^\ --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman