From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PQbYc-0004ue-Rs for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:08:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 738EBE0951 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802A0E0858 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQb9H-0002VT-7k for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:43 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:43 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:42:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4CFFF5DE.20303@gmail.com> <4D001CFF.60502@gmail.com> <201012081913.19278.stsander@sblan.net> <20101208235136.d6bce051.frank.peters@comcast.net> <4D0069ED.8010308@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies; GIT 25ed40d branch-testing) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ae7c47a2-9713-4eaa-8aaa-5e79b9709e4f X-Archives-Hash: 55482649ce64c94d6e9cc333845cf318 Dale posted on Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:32:29 -0600 as excerpted: > I used lilo when I first started using Linux, Mandrake 9.1 days. When = I > started with Gentoo, I switched to grub. I can't even imagine being > without grub. I know lilo has some strong points and is maintained but > I still prefer grub. I also read that a new grub is in the pipe too. > Supposed to be much better. That's the rumor anyway. Grub is nice on local machines, due to the ability to use its interactive= =20 shell. That can be quite useful when the config is screwed up for some=20 reason. On remote machines where the interactivity until booted is much=20 lower anyway, that doesn't matter so much (if at all) and lilo is as good= ,=20 possibly better. As for grub2... yes, it's in the pipe... as it has been for /years/. =20 Unfortunately, they did the same thing kde did and pulled support for=20 their current stable version LONG before the new version was stable,=20 leaving users between a rock and a hard place. Fortunately, grub is far=20 smaller and less complex than all of kde, and distributions were able to=20 step in and pick up the slack (yeah, free software, try doing that with=20 servantware when the original company abandons it), continuing to both=20 keep it building with new toolchains, and add new features like support=20 for ext4, etc. Unfortunately, last I knew, grub2 wasn't even officially on-disk-format- stable yet, tho with ubuntu and etc already using it, it's getting more=20 difficult to change it, and they were /probably/ done with changes, but a= t=20 least last I knew, it wasn't official, yet. FWIW, there's a (masked) grub-2 in the tree, that I've been thinking abou= t=20 playing with at some point, but I've not gotten to it. When I eventually= =20 do, I'll know quite a bit more about it, but grub1 (0.97-rX) has continue= d=20 to work fine for me, so no rush. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman