* [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
@ 2009-12-02 15:42 alain.didierjean
2009-12-02 16:03 ` Richard Freeman
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From: alain.didierjean @ 2009-12-02 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw
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I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
which they belong. Help welcome...
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
@ 2009-12-02 16:03 ` Richard Freeman
2009-12-02 16:04 ` Alex Alexander
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From: Richard Freeman @ 2009-12-02 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
dosfstools
Maybe we should get flameeyes to re-implement portage file search since
he's already building everything for the tinderbox anyway... :)
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
2009-12-02 16:03 ` Richard Freeman
@ 2009-12-02 16:04 ` Alex Alexander
2009-12-02 16:07 ` Carsten Hajunga
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From: Alex Alexander @ 2009-12-02 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw
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On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 04:42:17PM +0100, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
sys-fs/dosfstools
:)
--
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Gentoo Developer
www.linuxized.com
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
2009-12-02 16:03 ` Richard Freeman
2009-12-02 16:04 ` Alex Alexander
@ 2009-12-02 16:07 ` Carsten Hajunga
2009-12-02 16:26 ` Jesús Guerrero
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From: Carsten Hajunga @ 2009-12-02 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
sys-fs/dosfstools
Am Mittwoch, 2. Dezember 2009 16:42:17 schrieb alain.didierjean@free.fr:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
> package to which they belong. Help welcome...
>
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 16:07 ` Carsten Hajunga
@ 2009-12-02 16:26 ` Jesús Guerrero
2009-12-02 16:30 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Nikos Chantziaras
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From: Jesús Guerrero @ 2009-12-02 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:42:17 +0100, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
> package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
sys-fs/dosfstools
--
Jesús Guerrero
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 16:26 ` Jesús Guerrero
@ 2009-12-02 16:30 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-12-02 17:08 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
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From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2009-12-02 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On 12/02/2009 05:42 PM, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
sys-fs/dosfstools
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 16:30 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2009-12-02 17:08 ` Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
2009-12-02 17:09 ` zuboskal 14
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From: Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas @ 2009-12-02 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw
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Hi,
I think it should be sys-fs/dosfstools.
Regards,
--
Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
Control and Automation Engineer
Gentoo Foundation Member
Em Quarta-feira 02 Dezembro 2009, às 13:42:17, alain.didierjean@free.fr escreveu:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 17:08 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Ronan Arraes Jardim Chagas
@ 2009-12-02 17:09 ` zuboskal 14
2009-12-02 17:15 ` Josh Sled
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From: zuboskal 14 @ 2009-12-02 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw
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sys-fs/dosfstools
2009/12/2 <alain.didierjean@free.fr>
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
> package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
>
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brgds
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2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 17:09 ` zuboskal 14
@ 2009-12-02 17:15 ` Josh Sled
2009-12-02 17:49 ` Japan Man
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From: Josh Sled @ 2009-12-02 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: alain.didierjean; +Cc: gentoo-amd64
alain.didierjean@free.fr writes:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
jsled@phoenix [~]$ eix -S vfat
* sys-fs/dosfstools
Available versions: 3.0.1!t ~3.0.2!t ~3.0.5!t
Homepage: http://www.daniel-baumann.ch/software/dosfstools/
Description: DOS filesystem tools - provides mkdosfs, mkfs.msdos, mkfs.vfat
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...jsled
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 17:15 ` Josh Sled
@ 2009-12-02 17:49 ` Japan Man
2009-12-02 18:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2009-12-02 18:04 ` Marko Obrovac
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From: Japan Man @ 2009-12-02 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, <alain.didierjean@free.fr> wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
> package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
>
i believe dosfstools
# equery belongs mkfs.vfat
* Searching for mkfs.vfat ...
sys-fs/dosfstools-3.0.5 (/usr/sbin/mkfs.vfat -> mkdosfs)
dosfstools it is.
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aim: cyst23 <-- this is utter bullshit
skype: anosumo
email: anorexicsumo@gmail.com
Cotton candy, sweet and low, let me see that tootsie roll
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 17:49 ` Japan Man
@ 2009-12-02 18:04 ` Marko Obrovac
2009-12-02 20:38 ` Justin
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From: Marko Obrovac @ 2009-12-02 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
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Seems like you're looking for sys-fs/dosfstools
Homepage: http://www.daniel-baumann.ch/software/dosfstools/
Description: DOS filesystem tools - provides mkdosfs, mkfs.msdos,
mkfs.vfat
Cheers,
Marko Obrovac
http://www.linkedin.com/in/doorman
2009/12/2 <alain.didierjean@free.fr>
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
> package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 17:49 ` Japan Man
@ 2009-12-02 18:50 ` Barry Schwartz
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From: Barry Schwartz @ 2009-12-02 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
How to fish:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+mkfs.vfat
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:gentoo.org+fsck.vfat
:)
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 18:04 ` Marko Obrovac
@ 2009-12-02 20:38 ` Justin
2009-12-03 7:31 ` Juan Fco. Giordana
2009-12-03 12:05 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Justin
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From: Justin @ 2009-12-02 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
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alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
sys-fs/dosfstools
To find that out you can use e-file from app-portage/pfl or search
directly at http://www.portagefilelist.de/index.php/Special:PFLQuery2
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-02 20:38 ` Justin
@ 2009-12-03 7:31 ` Juan Fco. Giordana
2009-12-03 21:46 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2009-12-03 12:05 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Justin
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From: Juan Fco. Giordana @ 2009-12-03 7:31 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
sys-fs/dosfstools :P
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2009-12-02 15:42 [gentoo-amd64] FAT tools, where ? alain.didierjean
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2009-12-03 7:31 ` Juan Fco. Giordana
@ 2009-12-03 12:05 ` Justin
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alain.didierjean@free.fr schrieb:
> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the package to
> which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
I got one more:
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=gentoo+mkfs.vfat+fsck.vfat+tools
;) , don't cry, I just love this page!
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-03 7:31 ` Juan Fco. Giordana
@ 2009-12-03 21:46 ` Duncan
2009-12-03 22:39 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-12-04 2:36 ` Barry Schwartz
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From: Duncan @ 2009-12-03 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Juan Fco. Giordana posted on Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:31:01 +0000 as excerpted:
> alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
>> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
>> package to which they belong. Help welcome...
>
>
> sys-fs/dosfstools :P
LOL. Didn't know we had that many list readers!
(FWIW, I format everything reiserfs or ext2/3/4, here, and haven't used
fat, at least not to the degree I'd need to fsck or mkfs it, if someone
not on Linux needs a file, it goes by net and they download it to their
own fs, since my Mandrake days at least (I switched to Gentoo in early
2004), so was perhaps one of the few here that did /not/ know what
package those utilities were in.)
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-03 21:46 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
@ 2009-12-03 22:39 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2009-12-04 0:26 ` Josh Sled
2009-12-04 2:36 ` Barry Schwartz
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From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2009-12-03 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On 12/03/2009 11:46 PM, Duncan wrote:
> Juan Fco. Giordana posted on Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:31:01 +0000 as excerpted:
>
>> alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
>>> I need vfat tools (mkfs.vfat, fsck.vfat...) and can't figure out the
>>> package to which they belong. Help welcome...
>>
>>
>> sys-fs/dosfstools :P
>
> LOL. Didn't know we had that many list readers!
I think the problem here is the increased hiccup frequency of GMane
lately :P At the time we posted "dosfstools" most didn't even see that
other people already replied with the same thing.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-03 22:39 ` Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2009-12-04 0:26 ` Josh Sled
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From: Josh Sled @ 2009-12-04 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> writes:
> I think the problem here is the increased hiccup frequency of GMane lately :P
> At the time we posted "dosfstools" most didn't even see that other people
> already replied with the same thing.
It was not gmane. I saw the same delay being a traditionally-subscribed
user, and was the reason I replied, too.
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...jsled
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-03 21:46 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2009-12-03 22:39 ` Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2009-12-04 2:36 ` Barry Schwartz
2009-12-04 4:57 ` Frank Peters
2009-12-04 5:37 ` Duncan
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From: Barry Schwartz @ 2009-12-04 2:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> skribis:
> (FWIW, I format everything reiserfs or ext2/3/4, here, and haven't used
> fat, at least not to the degree I'd need to fsck or mkfs it, if someone
> not on Linux needs a file, it goes by net and they download it to their
> own fs, since my Mandrake days at least (I switched to Gentoo in early
> 2004), so was perhaps one of the few here that did /not/ know what
> package those utilities were in.)
Depending on what the DOS fs stuff is for, sys-fs/ntfs3g might be a
better option, anyway, though I have a vfat partition from before I
discovered ntfs3g, and would keep dosfstools (and the kernel support)
and/or mtools around anyway, for working with those very occasional
floppies.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 2:36 ` Barry Schwartz
@ 2009-12-04 4:57 ` Frank Peters
2009-12-04 6:14 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-04 6:18 ` Barry Schwartz
2009-12-04 5:37 ` Duncan
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From: Frank Peters @ 2009-12-04 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:36:48 -0600
Barry Schwartz <chemoelectric@chemoelectric.org> wrote:
>
> Depending on what the DOS fs stuff is for, sys-fs/ntfs3g might be a
> better option, anyway, though I have a vfat partition from before I
> discovered ntfs3g, and would keep dosfstools (and the kernel support)
> and/or mtools around anyway, for working with those very occasional
> floppies.
>
It's not just floppies. FAT still has a major use for formatting
memory cards in digital cameras. If one is going to process digital
images with Linux one had better have the ability to handle FAT
partitions.
Frank Peters
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 2:36 ` Barry Schwartz
2009-12-04 4:57 ` Frank Peters
@ 2009-12-04 5:37 ` Duncan
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From: Duncan @ 2009-12-04 5:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Barry Schwartz posted on Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:36:48 -0600 as excerpted:
> Depending on what the DOS fs stuff is for, sys-fs/ntfs3g might be a
> better option, anyway, though I have a vfat partition from before I
> discovered ntfs3g, and would keep dosfstools (and the kernel support)
> and/or mtools around anyway, for working with those very occasional
> floppies.
As I said, I've been formatting those ext2. Now that ext4 is available
without journaling, perhaps I'll eventually switch to it.
The only other thing I do with floppies is copy premade FreeDOS images to
them, for stuff like flashing BIOSs. My board is now EOLed and no more
flashes for it, but I had a clean 1.44 floppy FreeDOS OEM image that I'd
copy, loopback-mount the copy, copy in the new flash executable and BIOS
bin image, umount, dd the image direct to /dev/fd0, verify it, then boot
to the floppy and flash the BIOS. Unfortunately, the last one I did
killed the BIOS as I had a stick of bad memory that caused it to write
corruption, so I had to order from Cali a new BIOS chip flashed to the
last update, but until then, the system worked well. But other than
that, the only floppies I've done for years have been ext2.
--
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 4:57 ` Frank Peters
@ 2009-12-04 6:14 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-04 17:35 ` Duncan
2009-12-04 6:18 ` Barry Schwartz
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From: Lie Ryan @ 2009-12-04 6:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On 12/4/2009 3:57 PM, Frank Peters wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:36:48 -0600
> Barry Schwartz<chemoelectric@chemoelectric.org> wrote:
>> Depending on what the DOS fs stuff is for, sys-fs/ntfs3g might be a
>> better option, anyway, though I have a vfat partition from before I
>> discovered ntfs3g, and would keep dosfstools (and the kernel support)
>> and/or mtools around anyway, for working with those very occasional
>> floppies.
>>
> It's not just floppies. FAT still has a major use for formatting
> memory cards in digital cameras. If one is going to process digital
> images with Linux one had better have the ability to handle FAT
> partitions.
Don't know whether such precaution is necessary, but I kept a small FAT
(actually 8G is not so small) partition in my external harddisk that
contains drivers for ntfs-3g for the platforms that I may meet at the
middle of the road. It saved me a couple of times when I happen to be in
a computer (or Gentoo Live CD) that can't read (or can only read) NTFS.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 4:57 ` Frank Peters
2009-12-04 6:14 ` Lie Ryan
@ 2009-12-04 6:18 ` Barry Schwartz
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From: Barry Schwartz @ 2009-12-04 6:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net> skribis:
> Barry Schwartz <chemoelectric@chemoelectric.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Depending on what the DOS fs stuff is for, sys-fs/ntfs3g might be a
> > better option, anyway, though I have a vfat partition from before I
> > discovered ntfs3g, and would keep dosfstools (and the kernel support)
> > and/or mtools around anyway, for working with those very occasional
> > floppies.
> >
>
> It's not just floppies. FAT still has a major use for formatting
> memory cards in digital cameras. If one is going to process digital
> images with Linux one had better have the ability to handle FAT
> partitions.
That makes sense.
There's mtools as well, but it's nice to be able to mount the fs.
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 6:14 ` Lie Ryan
@ 2009-12-04 17:35 ` Duncan
2009-12-04 19:17 ` Lie Ryan
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From: Duncan @ 2009-12-04 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Lie Ryan posted on Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:14:38 +1100 as excerpted:
> Don't know whether such precaution is necessary, but I kept a small FAT
> (actually 8G is not so small) partition in my external harddisk that
> contains drivers for ntfs-3g for the platforms that I may meet at the
> middle of the road. It saved me a couple of times when I happen to be in
> a computer (or Gentoo Live CD) that can't read (or can only read) NTFS.
I mentioned in another post (I /think/ to this list??) that I recently
upgraded to GPT partitioning, using gdisk. GPT has several mechanisms to
help ensure boot-time compatibility and that no legacy MBR based
partition editor overwrites things accidentally.
1) There's normally what's called a "protective MBR partition", that
makes it look to legacy MBR partition table editors like the entire disk
(well, to the 2-TiB boundary which is as far as they see) is a single
partition of unknown type. The idea here is to prevent accidentally
erasing the GPT partition info.
2) For legacy BIOS based booting, the first partition (typically 200 KB
or so, I made mine a full 1024 KiB, 1 MiB, just to simplify things, but
it sure felt strange making a partition that small!) should be reserved
as a BIOS boot partition -- basically, it's there to give certain legacy
BIOS bootloaders a spot to put their second stages, etc, without
overwriting anything else.
3) For newer EFI based booting, the standard specifies an EFI system
partition, FAT32 formatted, of a hundred MB or so. For non-portable
disks, only one of the two, either a BIOS boot partition (#2 above) or an
EFI system partition, need be present, but I went ahead and put both on
mine, even tho my present system doesn't really use either one. The EFI
system partition has its own registered partition type, so can be
anywhere on the disk, up to the standard 128 partitions that can fit in
the standard minimum GPT spec (thus, 128 partitions is the standard,
since that's what fits in the minimum spec, and few folks have reason for
more than that, tho it's an option available in the spec), but I put it
as partition 2, just because. I made mine 127 MiB, so the first two
partitions combined are exactly 128 MiB, 1/4 GiB.
On a full EFI boot system, this EFI system partition can contain the
drivers necessary to access any of the other partitions and load the OS.
EFI includes its own initial boot loader spec, and OSs can drop drivers
here as necessary to chain-load their own loader on their own filesystems.
As mentioned, the Linux kernel is natively GPT/EFI aware as long as the
option is compiled in. According to the documentation, GRUB2 is natively
GPT/EFI aware and will use the BIOS boot partition for its second stage
and related files. GRUB (legacy, grub1, the 0.97-rX versions Gentoo
defaults to at present) isn't natively GPT aware, but there are patches
floating around that add the capability, and Gentoo includes those
patches, so there's no problem with GRUB1 either, tho it ignores the BIOS
boot partition as well as the EFI system partition, placing its second
stage in its boot partition, if there's no room to embed it, instead. So
one could accurately say GRUB-legacy with the GPT patches only partly
supports GPT, it'll boot on it and won't damage it when installing, but
won't make use of the reserved BIOS boot partition as GRUB2 does.
Apparently MS supports GPT/EFI from Vista onward, and of course, Apple
does, as they were one of the first on the EFI bandwagon, developing it
with Intel.
4) As mentioned above, EFI speced systems don't have BIOS, per se, any
more, EFI replaces it, and don't use conventional boot loaders, either,
as the EFI spec has its own. I don't know enough about EFI systems to be
sure, but given what I know of computer systems in general, I expect that
ultimately, EFI's boot loader will probably simply chain-load the OS
native boot loader, in many cases, much as grub does with the MS
bootloader, today.
So FWIW, your "small" 8 gig partition for boot-time compatibility
purposes is sort of already built into the GPT/EFI spec. That would
contain all you needed to boot the kernel, and if you chose not to build
them into your kernels, your ntfs and other kernel modules would be
loaded from /boot as standard initramfs/initrd, if necessary, or from the
standard /lib/modules/<kern-ver> subdir, if not necessary to load /.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 17:35 ` Duncan
@ 2009-12-04 19:17 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-04 20:52 ` Duncan
2009-12-04 21:12 ` Frank Peters
0 siblings, 2 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Lie Ryan @ 2009-12-04 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On 12/5/2009 4:35 AM, Duncan wrote:
> So FWIW, your "small" 8 gig partition for boot-time compatibility
> purposes is sort of already built into the GPT/EFI spec. That would
> contain all you needed to boot the kernel, and if you chose not to build
> them into your kernels, your ntfs and other kernel modules would be
> loaded from /boot as standard initramfs/initrd, if necessary, or from the
> standard/lib/modules/<kern-ver> subdir, if not necessary to load /.
Booting was one of my least concern (it's a portable external harddisk,
I don't need an OS in there), I use the FAT partition to store NTFS
drivers (source and precompiled) for systems that don't already have
NTFS-3G installed and where internet is scarce or compiler is
unavailable (e.g. Gentoo LiveCD or Macs) since the rest of my external
harddisk is formatted as NTFS.
These systems are often not my own (a friend's Macbook) or is volatile
(e.g. Gentoo LiveCD, which can only read NTFS). The 8G is small compared
to the external's size (120G), but big enough to transfer a
single-layer-DVD worth of data if I need to (once I salvaged data from a
broken Windows NTFS filesystem with Gentoo LiveCD to the FAT partition).
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 19:17 ` Lie Ryan
@ 2009-12-04 20:52 ` Duncan
2009-12-04 22:46 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-04 21:12 ` Frank Peters
1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Duncan @ 2009-12-04 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Lie Ryan posted on Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:17:42 +1100 as excerpted:
> The 8G is small compared to the external's size (120G)
I think I mentioned it, but I still find it amazing... Fry's Electronics
recently had a USB 1 TB external for $80. I snagged one. I'm not
bragging, as after tax, that's about what they're going for on
pricewatch.com (no tax but with shipping) now days as well; I'm just
still so amazed that prices have come down that far. A TB disk for $80.
It's just... weird!
Meanwhile, 120 gig... is almost USB thumbdrive size now. When you said
"small" 8 gig partition, I was thinking relative to a half terabyte
drive, at least, and with TB drives at $80 (which I still find almost
unbelievable), half TB would be models from a year or two ago. 8/120ths
might be small, but it doesn't look so small when someone's thinking
8/500ths or 8/1000ths on the one hand, and has just done the GPT
repartition I mentioned and felt incredibly foolish sticking a measly
1 MiB partition (the BIOS boot partition) on that 1 TB (931 GiB) drive!
Let's see... 1 MiB of 931 GiB... 1/953,344th (actually less, I think it
was actually 931.5 GiB or so, I could fit nearly 500 of those 1 MiB
partitions in the rounding error!) of the drive. That'd be roughly
comparable to a partition of a byte and a half (three nibbles, 12 bits)
on a 1.44 MB floppy! (Tho talk about rounding error!) No wonder I felt a
bit foolish! =:^)
I guess "small" is relative, and definitely in the eyes of the beholder,
isn't it?
... I still can't get over terabyte drives, for $80... I think I'm
beginning to appreciate how my grandparents must have felt, seeing the
car overtake the horse and buggy! I've known I was officially an "Old
Fart" since the day I was enthusiastically talking about a particular
album of a particular band (Styx, Killroy was Here, FWIW)... and suddenly
realized that I wasn't sure which was here first, the guy I was talking
to, or the album, as he was about old enough to have been /born/ that
year! But still, a terabyte for under $100 with enough left over to stop
for dinner on the way home... incredible! Talking about a terabyte still
seems like it should be like talking about a million dollars, yeah, the
figure exists, but it's something CEOs and governments use in their
everyday conversation, not something I'm likely to ever see... but now
that terabyte is under $100 with change left for dinner!
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 19:17 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-04 20:52 ` Duncan
@ 2009-12-04 21:12 ` Frank Peters
2009-12-04 22:26 ` Barry Schwartz
1 sibling, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Frank Peters @ 2009-12-04 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:17:42 +1100
Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Booting was one of my least concern (it's a portable external harddisk,
> I don't need an OS in there), I use the FAT partition to store NTFS
> drivers (source and precompiled) for systems that don't already have
> NTFS-3G installed and where internet is scarce or compiler is
> unavailable (e.g. Gentoo LiveCD or Macs) since the rest of my external
> harddisk is formatted as NTFS.
>
That's the beauty of Open Source. Commercial development would have
killed off FAT because of its low popularity, but Open Source maintains
FAT capability because it is something that *should* be available, if
only to allow some small group to tinker with ancient systems.
Hopefully Gentoo will continue this philosophy of keeping things
alive whether or not they represent the mainstream. I sometimes
prefer to use older tools. For example, I still use Lilo to boot
my machines. Fortunately Lilo is still a part of the portage tree
and, IMO, should not be removed simply because Grub is more popular.
Once Open Source, and Gentoo, begins to cater exclusively to the
latest software fashions, it will, again IMO, no longer be worth
using.
Frank Peters
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 21:12 ` Frank Peters
@ 2009-12-04 22:26 ` Barry Schwartz
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Barry Schwartz @ 2009-12-04 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net> write:
> That's the beauty of Open Source. Commercial development would have
> killed off FAT because of its low popularity, but Open Source maintains
> FAT capability because it is something that *should* be available, if
> only to allow some small group to tinker with ancient systems.
Nah, Microsoft kept and would have kept FAT, not to mention
COMMAND.COM. IBM systems, traditionally, kept vestiges of stuff from
the Pleistocene, all of it carefully documented.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 20:52 ` Duncan
@ 2009-12-04 22:46 ` Lie Ryan
2009-12-05 4:35 ` Duncan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 30+ messages in thread
From: Lie Ryan @ 2009-12-04 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
On 12/5/2009 7:52 AM, Duncan wrote:
> Lie Ryan posted on Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:17:42 +1100 as excerpted:
>
>> The 8G is small compared to the external's size (120G)
>
> I think I mentioned it, but I still find it amazing... Fry's Electronics
> recently had a USB 1 TB external for $80. I snagged one. I'm not
> bragging, as after tax, that's about what they're going for on
> pricewatch.com (no tax but with shipping) now days as well; I'm just
> still so amazed that prices have come down that far. A TB disk for $80.
> It's just... weird!
If you mean this guy:
http://www.frys.com/product/5832713;jsessionid=IEhzBaKBRCPLT6YdVM4dqw**.node2?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
it wouldn't fit into my pocket, wouldn't it?
> Meanwhile, 120 gig... is almost USB thumbdrive size now. When you said
> "small" 8 gig partition, I was thinking relative to a half terabyte
> drive,
A quarter terrabytes (250GB). This is not the first time I messed up
when stating my external's size. Still small, but better at least. The
120 GB is my laptop's (which are quite a few years old now).
at least, and with TB drives at $80 (which I still find almost
> unbelievable), half TB would be models from a year or two ago. 8/120ths
> might be small, but it doesn't look so small when someone's thinking
> 8/500ths or 8/1000ths on the one hand, and has just done the GPT
> repartition I mentioned and felt incredibly foolish sticking a measly
> 1 MiB partition (the BIOS boot partition) on that 1 TB (931 GiB) drive!
But I felt even more foolish to have to reboot to the the OS in my
harddisk just to copy a 50kB file to my NTFS partition because my
friend's Macbook cannot write to NTFS. GPT only helps to boot, it
doesn't make a Macbook read from NTFS partition or a Gentoo LiveCD write
to NTFS.
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: FAT tools, where ?
2009-12-04 22:46 ` Lie Ryan
@ 2009-12-05 4:35 ` Duncan
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Duncan @ 2009-12-05 4:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
Lie Ryan posted on Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:46:30 +1100 as excerpted:
> But I felt even more foolish to have to reboot to the the OS in my
> harddisk just to copy a 50kB file to my NTFS partition because my
> friend's Macbook cannot write to NTFS. GPT only helps to boot, it
> doesn't make a Macbook read from NTFS partition or a Gentoo LiveCD write
> to NTFS.
True...
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