From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2auA-0007vw-Te for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30CC6E03AF; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E165FE03AF for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1K2au3-00061c-6O for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:27 +0000 Received: from ip68-231-12-133.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.12.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:27 +0000 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-12-133.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:27 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.0.4 upgrade, sort of. Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <483D3324.3030709@ercbroadband.org> <200805312125.42938.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <200805312034.51915.levertond@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-12-133.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black) Sender: news Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5ea2c5aa-473f-4710-9ad2-ff4ef714cdaf X-Archives-Hash: 7a5eedfe026d7882f73156f375f135a1 David Leverton posted 200805312034.51915.levertond@googlemail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 31 May 2008 20:34:51 +0100: > On Saturday 31 May 2008 20:25:42 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: >> New in pkgcore: >> --ignore-failures: >> [snip] >> >> people who asked for a similar functionality in paludis were called >> stupid. (asking for skipfirst equivalent) >=20 > [dleverton@shiny-one ~] $ paludis --help [snip] > --continue-on-failure Whether to continue after a fetch or install > error > if-fetch-only If fetching only (default) > never Never > if-satisfied If remaining packages' dependencies are satisfied > if-independent If independent of failed and skipped packages > always Always (UNSAFE) I don't have a particular dog in this fight, but that's not the same=20 thing. --skip-first allows the admin to react to whatever when wrong,=20 try to fix it, and use the skip option only if he decides it's=20 warranted. IOW, it's sort of interactive, tho over time. It appears=20 this option must be added at the beginning, before one knows there'll be=20 an error, and independent of what that error might be. =20 (I'm assuming paludis creates a log of what failed, so one can try them=20 again later, after fixing the problem or getting a package update or=20 whatever. If not, that's another difference, as the --skipfirst option=20 allows one to (manually) create such a list, and in fact that's what I=20 use it for when doing an emerge --emptytree after upgrading gcc, for=20 instance. The old packages often still work fine so don't /have/ to be=20 upgraded, but with a list, as they are fixed to work with the new=20 version, they can be retried and if successful, stricken from the list,=20 thus gradually shrinking the number of packages not compatible with the=20 new gcc version.) I did see the log where the --skipfirst functionality request was called=20 stupid. I never quite understood why. If the above was already there=20 and considered equivalent, I can see why the request might be called=20 stupid, but nobody bothered to explain that if it was indeed the case, so= =20 both the requester and all the others that ended up seeing that IRC log=20 missed out on the real answer. Unfortunately, that sort of "missing out"= =20 has become somewhat of a pattern, altho if/when the explanation /does/=20 come, it's usually very well reasoned out. It's just worse than pulling=20 teeth to get it, sometimes, even on the devel list after being asked=20 repeatedly by multiple devs, which is where I see the pattern repeated=20 most often, since as a good admin, I lurk there to see what's coming down= =20 the road before I hit it. --=20 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman --=20 gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org mailing list