From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Cloning a system drive
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:53:37 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2007.10.06.01.53.37@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5bdc1c8b0710051358g74f95702rb82a29219d890919@mail.gmail.com
"Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted
5bdc1c8b0710051358g74f95702rb82a29219d890919@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:58:18 -0700:
> My system drive is making some naughty sounding noises to I'm
> thinking I'd better do something fairly quickly. I'm wondering what the
> best solution for this problem is?
>
> I'm really looking for an almost 1 step fix if possible. If I could
> get a new drive, put it in the box, and then clone to that drive
> directly that would be great.
>
> The system has both Win XP and Gentoo AMD64. The disk layout is
> shown below. I beleive the way I shoehorned XP into this machine was to
> steal the original boot partition as a small C: drive and then the buld
> of Windows is on a larger partition at the end of the drive.
I've migrated hard drives under old-one-dieing conditions a couple times
in the last few years. Fortunately, the old one has always been still
usable, but that's why I went with RAID this time.
What I do is take the opportunity to redesign my partition layouts and
the like (altho this time I have most stuff on LVM, which should help
next time). The disk is always larger, and sometimes I've switched
distributions or something, so need to optimize my layout. Thus, the
first step is simply deciding how I want my partitions split up and what
size each will be, then choosing the order I want to lay them out. (This
time, the first with RAID and LVM, I had that to think about too,
partitions on the physical disks for the various RAID levels I wanted to
run, then the RAID, choosing partitioned or not as appropriate, then the
filesystem directly on RAID for the boot, system, and sysbackup volumes,
LVM on RAID, and filesystems on LVM, for user and operational data.)
After setting up the partitions, the hard part, it's simply creating the
filesystems and copying stuff over after that. As for many of my
sysadmin type tasks, I use mc, aka midnight commander, for the copying.
Its defaults preserve ownership/permissions/etc and "just work" when
exotic stuff like symlinks, sockets and device nodes are encountered, so
no worrying about getting everything right. The exception is stopping at
the filesystem boundary if appropriate, but a well chosen mount layout
minimizing recursive mounts on mounts minimizes that issue, and for
filesystems such as root, there's mount-bind. (I actually have a
rootbind mountpoint and an entry in fstab for it, so all I have to do is
mount that entry, and copy from it instead of from / itself, to eliminate
worries of copying more than the root filesystem.)
IOW, the hard part is simply deciding on the new layout I want and doing
the partitioning (and raid creation) as appropriate. After that, as with
the backup discussion recently, I simply copy the data from one place to
the other, as I would do any other routine copying, so after the
partitioning and etc. setup, it's pretty much just a routine backup copy
operation from my perspective. If there are locking issues, I've never
seen them, so it seems they only apply to databases and the like. Of
course, I'm not trying to copy partitions whilst simultaneously copying
CD/DVD sized images around on the partition I'm copying, either, but that
would just be stupid.
I've actually done this for years, so it works. As I mentioned in
passing above and have noted before, I had two drives go out at almost
exactly the 1-year mark (the last one due to overheating due to a failed
AC), the reason I went with RAID this time. The RAID has been up and
running almost two years now, however, and I recently decided to update
my backups then boot to them and delete and recreate my normally working
copies, thus effectively "defragging", as I imagine the constant
upgrading especially the system/root filesystem had well fragmented
things and I had been routinely replacing the backup images but working
from the same working copy main image, without defragging or anything. I
think I noticed a good increase in system responsiveness, but I didn't do
any benchmarks or whatever to test, so it could be placebo effect. Of
course, the transfer to backup and then rewriting my main/working copies
went without a hitch as it has always gone, but the point is that both
the backup and the working copies have been redone "fresh" fairly
recently and I'm up and running on them without issue, so the procedure
simply works, and works well.
BTW, for trying to recover data on partially bad drives as I did twice in
the last five years, dd-rescue works well. It does direct block by block
copies just as regular dd does, but it's optimized for bad disk recovery,
such that when it hits several unreadable blocks in a row, it starts from
the other end of the image and works backward. When it hits several in a
row from that end, it tries to find good spots in the middle between the
two bad spots, and expands the recovered blocks from there if it finds
any it can read. Thus, since the bad-block retries are what takes
forever in recovery situations, dd-rescue recovers much more data far
faster than normal dd would, since dd would hit the bad spot and continue
to try reading block after block in order, with the user likely giving up
after a few hours or a day or two, possibly before dd reads thru the bad
spot to the still good data on the other side. Unlike dd, once dd-rescue
has been running on an image for a number of hours with only incremental
progress, the user can be reasonably sure it has recovered pretty much
all the data that's going to be recovered, so can cancel the operation
without much fear of leaving still recoverable data on the disk.
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Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-05 20:58 [gentoo-amd64] Cloning a system drive Mark Knecht
2007-10-05 21:14 ` Dieter Ries
2007-10-05 22:46 ` Drake Donahue
2007-10-05 23:07 ` Mark Knecht
2007-10-06 1:00 ` Drake Donahue
2007-10-06 12:22 ` Dieter Ries
2007-10-06 1:53 ` Duncan [this message]
2007-10-06 2:35 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Richard Freeman
2007-10-06 2:43 ` Mark Knecht
2007-10-06 12:47 ` Duncan
2007-10-06 13:16 ` Mark Knecht
2007-10-07 3:58 ` Drake Donahue
2007-10-07 4:49 ` Peter Davoust
2007-10-07 9:33 ` Duncan
2007-10-07 18:34 ` Brian Litzinger
2007-10-08 9:17 ` Beso
2007-10-08 16:17 ` Brian Litzinger
2007-10-08 16:28 ` Mark Knecht
2007-10-08 16:43 ` Beso
2007-10-08 22:39 ` Peter Davoust
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