From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dztxb-0005g3-7F for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:25:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j72ANgqo008366; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:23:42 GMT Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j72ANfEE005326 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:23:41 GMT Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Dztuo-0002Ey-Tq for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:22:30 +0200 Received: from ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.230.97.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:22:30 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:22:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: x86_64 optimization patches for glibc. Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 03:21:45 -0700 Organization: Sometimes Message-ID: References: <42E258A7.5080501@telia.com> <42E55ADB.8030201@telia.com> <200508011105.14688.janjitse@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-230-97-182.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: bd740770-4130-4ba1-b3e5-60981c867a9a X-Archives-Hash: 5f99d0f14848804167bc25c66fa61c97 Karol Krizka posted , excerpted below, on Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:03:13 -0700: >> Never-the-less, I added the strings patch here, and have the new KDE 3.4.2 >> stuff at least, compiled against it... Computing is my hobby; if I >> wanted something that would predictably "just work", I'd be doing TiVos or >> the like! Much of the fun is the occasional breakage in mysterious ways, >> never knowing quite when it'll happen, and the challenge of figuring out >> how to get back to a working system, again! >> > So if you wanted something to just work you would be running Linux on > TiVo? I think a intel computer would be better for that... > Never-the-less, I added the strings patch here, and have the new KDE 3.4.2 > stuff at least, compiled against it... Computing is my hobby; if I > wanted something that would predictably "just work", I'd be doing TiVos or > the like! Much of the fun is the occasional breakage in mysterious ways, > never knowing quite when it'll happen, and the challenge of figuring out > how to get back to a working system, again! > So if you wanted something to just work you would be running Linux on TiVo? I think a intel computer would be better for that... No... perhaps I didn't choose a far out enough example. I usually choose a refrigerator or TV instead... The point is, if I wanted something that predictably "just worked", computing wouldn't be my hobby in the /first/ place, I'd have chosen something better known for its "just working" qualities. In point of fact, before I got my first PC (in fact, the /only/ whole PC I ever got, a 486sx25 w/ the CPU soldered to the mobo, 4 meg RAM, and a 130 meg hard drive -- I just counted myself lucky to get a 486 over a 386), I had two VCRs hooked up to my TV, such that I could watch previous shows while recording the current nite's shows, allowing me to FF over the commercials. That, and I could rent movies and record them to the second VCR while playing them from the first. Interactivity was pretty much limited to that FF button -- and hitting back when I overshot a bit. Now, I don't even own a TV (other than a tiny 2.5" TFT version, bought back in the day..., that I have around somewhere, don't even know where...), as I've grown to despise the lack of control one has over a TV program, and the fact that the programmers must cater to their paying customers, the advertisers, which in turn are happiest with the zombies easiest programmed to buy their warez even when they are twice the cost or more of the generic brand and even when they don't need them and can't really afford them. Thus, there's actually a DIS-incentive to program for the discerning intellect -- those that actually /like/ to think, and can't be so easily programmed to buy expensive stuff they don't need. So... I've switched to a more interactive and intellectually rewarding hobby, computers, and enjoy the challenges they sometimes present. I simply chose TiVos as the example above, because that'd be the modern equivalent of the VCRs I was using before I got into computers. While personally significant, that choice of example was obviously less than clear to those who have no way of knowing my history and who have a different one of their own, and the usual TV or refrigerator example would have been rather more effective at making my point. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list