From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9562D1381FA for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 02:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 220DFE09CE; Fri, 30 May 2014 02:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51706E09A4 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 02:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WqCBe-0002UT-FK for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 30 May 2014 04:04:50 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 04:04:50 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 04:04:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] amd64 list, still useful? Was: btrfs Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 02:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20140527223938.GA3701@sgi.com> <53859043.2050303@thegeezer.net> <20140528223247.66fff7d5@marcec> <20140529195707.3fddb0a0@marcec> <20140529170526.2e35807f7959d11f45f2de1c@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 2ae6aff /usr/src/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 32704112-a1c2-4f29-b41f-c8f98d463792 X-Archives-Hash: ddf68042a73c33e15da44e44a2da26c2 Frank Peters posted on Thu, 29 May 2014 17:05:26 -0400 as excerpted: > There may not be any amd64 issues, but there certainly are a lot of > gripes. > > For those who operate a pure 64-bit system (no multi-lib), there is a > fair amount of highly useful software that has not yet been updated to > be 64-bit clean. For example, Adobe PDF Reader, Foxit PDF Reader, and > the Intel ICC compiler are still 32-bit. I wish these folks would get > with the modern trends. FWIW, I'm no-multilib as well, but I guess for a different reason. I don't do proprietary and in general couldn't even if I wanted to, since I cannot and will not agree to the EULAs, so non-free software that hasn't been amd64 ported is of no concern to me, except that it's yet another case where authors chose not to respect my rights, so I simply don't use their software. Meanwhile, all the software I actually use has long since been ported, and I no longer even use grub-static, since I've switched to grub2, which builds just fine on amd64. So there's literally no reason for me to run multilib at all, and in fact, when I switched over some years ago, I had already had various problems due to the 32-bit side which I never used except to build toolchain 32-bit support, breaking. As a result, simply switching to no- multilib significantly decomplicated life and resulted in far faster gcc and glibc rebuilds as well, and there was literally no down side whatsoever, except that I had to run grub-static for a couple years. Tho I do still have a 32-bit chroot as the build-root for my 32-bit only netbook. But by policy I don't keep anything private on the netbook and actually don't use it as a NET-book anyway, only connecting it via ethernet here at home. (I never did get the wifi working on it, I tried at one point, but apparently there was some bug in the kernel wifi driver at that point and I couldn't connect, and I simply never bothered since.) So security isn't a huge deal on it, and I actually haven't updated it in a couple years now, to the point that I'd have severe problems updating it using a current gentoo tree due to EAPI upgrade issues, so I'd have to do staggered updates using archived trees. At this point that means I'll probably just do a full from-stage3-rebuild at some point... if I even bother at all. I might actually just hardware upgrade to a 64-bit machine, such that I can use my main system's binpkgs for both machines. Meanwhile, Mark's reason for staying on this list, as opposed to the general user list, are more or less mine, as well. I never actually saw the negatives he saw there, and there was a time when there was an attack on me here, which I'll never forget as it was quite an experience seeing other regulars and lurkers too come out of the woodwork to defend me. I knew a lot of folks liked my posts due to thanks now and again, but WOW, I had no idea I had benefitted THAT many lurkers along with the others, and it was quite humbling indeed to see them post perhaps their only post in years, to defend me! Certainly a life-changing experience! Rather, in my case it is more that I remember the high traffic of the user list and kind of like the lower but perhaps higher quality traffic here, tho at times it's /too/ low traffic, these days. Probably at some point I'll get back to the user list, but if this list were to shut down, I'd still miss it, because while there's not a lot of traffic here these days, the signal to noise ratio really is about the highest I can imagine. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman