From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D70813838B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BB52E0882; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94856E086B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XWlx5-0005Pa-4F for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:45:47 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:45:47 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:45:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT d447f7c /m/p/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: b467b4fa-33ff-4d2c-9b81-fde13d1d6881 X-Archives-Hash: eb95c58db8812eb6fc2bbfc6b7484f5f Antoine Martin posted on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:51:49 +0700 as excerpted: > Personally, I am quite surprised to see that very few have mentioned the > one thing that makes me cringe in all the systemd discussions, namely > that anyone who disagrees with the systemd crowd is either misinformed, > stupid or holding back progress. Though this thread is a lot less acrid > than some (I am not posting to create further tension, but rather to > explain where I think some of this tension is coming from). > Many have legitimate gripes with systemd, but the dismissive attitude of > many systemd proponents is more of a social problem, and a worrying one. > It is almost impossible to have a technical discussion on the subject. It has been implied as some of the other points (the LKML discussion where Linus got mad at ksievers, for isntance) are there as a result of this, but you're correct, nobody had been naming it directly. And that was and remains my biggest concern as well, even tho I'm running systemd now. Well, that and the "gray goo" problem. But I decided I'd try it anyway, knowing I could always switch inits by just setting init= appropriately if I decided it wasn't something I was ready to use just yet, and once I did enough research to actually try it properly and had actually done so, I found that despite my misgivings in these two areas, it was enough faster and easier to work with than openrc, that despite having to figuratively "hold my nose" to do it, I wanted to keep using systemd. I'm still "holding my nose", but from the systemd side of town, now. Time will reveal how it all turns out, I guess, but meanwhile, I can always boot the backup to get back to sanity, if some new version of systemd either won't boot or does something I consider insane and don't want on my system, and from that backup, if necessary I can reinstall openrc. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman