From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C951138CBF for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7051FE0975; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 973C5E0970 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YXhv2-0007Bt-Mw for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:11:48 +0100 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:11:48 +0100 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:11:48 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Machine recommendations? Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <550348DC.8090708@asyr.hopto.org> <55042B23.6000207@asyr.hopto.org> <550572A9.7080908@asyr.hopto.org> <5505E136.4050101@asyr.hopto.org> <55073F1E.6060307@asyr.hopto.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT 10ca3f5) X-Archives-Salt: bb7f8ca2-5531-48a8-9158-92a3842e5a1a X-Archives-Hash: ca500d3b620ed84e1f68af5580c64eb6 Thanasis posted on Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:37:50 +0200 as excerpted: > On 03/16/2015 08:31 AM, Duncan wrote: >> Thanasis posted on Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:44:54 +0200 as excerpted: >> >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151113 >> >> So it's /not/ a standard ATX power supply, > > If the case has enough space to accommodate it, then all you might have > to do is drill a hole or two for the fixing screws. > > >> 2) This PSU /does/ say "super low fan noise" in the specs, and the >> reviews seem to agree, tho the noise level in dB isn't actually >> quantified for comparison purposes. >> >> I'd be a bit skeptical of the feature claim on its own without an >> actual comparable dB quantification, but the reviews do alleviate my >> skepticism somewhat. That may be an additional reason for the price. > > Most probably this PSU is going to be totally silent for you. Why? Take > a closer look at the third one image, the small label near the PSU's fan > (rotate the image 180 degrees to read it): > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151113 I see it now. Thanks, both of you. =:^) (Someone else mailed me directly pointing that out as well. Maybe they don't want their address posted publicly on the list and thus didn't post there, so I won't be specific.) And someone else mailed, saying lucky me, they can still only get 1.5 Mbit DSL. FWIW, I'm actually on a much lower plan now, ~6 Mbit/768 Kbyte/ sec down, I think 1.5 Mbit up (I'm actually not sure on the upstream, but it's certainly slower). I do use it for some higher quality youtube streams, and of course for larger sources tarball downloads, but not really for much else. (Netflix, etc, the common modern high-bandwidth usage, is DRMed with, AFAIK, closed source decoding required, which makes it not an option, for me.) But my theory has always been that in-home LANs really didn't really take off at 10 Mbit either -- it wasn't until 100 Mbit fast-ethernet that speeds were fast enough to really start doing more than limited stuff over the LAN instead of local storage or at least cache and sneakernet. I actually believe there's a breakover threshold somewhere between 10 Mbit and 100 Mbit, arguably near 50 Mbit or 64 Mbit (8 Mbyte), and that once access speeds exceed that, it becomes much less trouble to store things centrally (once in the home with 100 Mbit LANs, once on the net with 50-100 Mbit plus WANs) and simply download on demand. If that's the case, and I think it may well be so with me, usage will increase only somewhat as speeds go up between say half a megabit or even simply always-on 140 kbps ISDL, thru 30 Mbit and possibly up to near 64 Mbit. But somewhere around 64 Mbit, 8 Mbyte, I expect I'd reach a usability threshold and my usage would take a huge jump, much as it did when I left dialup and switched to always-on. So I really haven't seen the need for more bandwidth, at the still significantly under 64 or 100 Mbit speeds previously on offer. Yes, I use more bandwidth than I used to with my 608 kbps connection, but not / that/ much more. But were I to go gigablast or even the so-called ultimate plan, IIRC 150 Mbps, I expect things would change and I'd both consider it worth it, and try my best to avoid dropping below that threshold ever again, must as when I first got always-on DSL, there really was no going back to dialup. With this router I've been thinking about for awhile and now actually plan to start procuring parts later this week after I do some more research over my coming days off, my own network should be ready for it, making it an option I can practically look at and probably eventually get, even if "eventually" ends up being another year or two or five... To date, I've not really considered it that much as I've known with the current router I couldn't make use of the over-threshold speed if I /did/ upgrade to it, I'd get some upgrade, but still be in the below-threshold doldrums where I'd not find it particularly useful. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman