From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C3813838B for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1752E09B4; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42EF2E09A1 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XX0Q2-0002Gq-NV for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:12:38 +0200 Received: from ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.231.22.224]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:12:38 +0200 Received: from 1i5t5.duncan by ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:12:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140921220253.29b05782092a062c7148cbed@comcast.net> <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-231-22-224.ph.ph.cox.net User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; GIT d447f7c /m/p/portage/src/egit-src/pan2) X-Archives-Salt: 9fc554df-9538-4f41-b809-a85df05bef79 X-Archives-Hash: 276559c1d5689e712f866692c1bf7328 Frank Peters posted on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:58:22 -0400 as excerpted: > This method may seem strange and even regressive and stubborn to many > Linux users. All I can say in response is that one has to be a little > bit fanatical to even use Linux, ... let alone Gentoo,... > and I am probably more than just a little bit fanatical. =:^) While few gentooers take it to the level you have, I expect most understand the concept. After all, they /are/ gentooers. =:^) FWIW, I was doing something similar with my own suspend/hibernate script for awhile. I stopped once I switched to systemd as its related functionality works well enough, and does what I want and need without the whole policykit, etc, circus, which I do *NOT* want or need. There's a certain "direct drive", "close to the metal" confidence you get from mastering the concepts well enough to do it yourself like that. Any gentooer should appreciate the concept to some extent, but those that have actually gone beyond gentoo and bare-scripted at that level I think appreciate even more both the concept, and how powerful and even addicting it can be. For those who have done it, there's a definite loss in doing it any other way. For some people at some point, that loss is worth it to avoid the additional maintenance and responsibility that comes with it, while for others there is and can be no acceptable replacement for that direct control. FWIW, as I said I've accepted that loss in letting systemd handle the suspend and hibernate details for me now, but OTOH, while I can appreciate those who for instance leave gentoo for arch, assuming gentoo is still viable at the time, I have a hard time envisioning me running anything else even 20-30 years from now when chances are I'll be in a retirement home. I /am/ nearing 50 after all, and 30 years from now would put me at 77, at which point there is definitely a fair chance I'll be in a retirement home, if I'm even around any longer... And yes, I think there's a fair chance I'll still be running gentoo, even then. =:^) IOW, I think it's fair to say that most/all gentooers are at least a bit fanatical in that way, enough to appreciate and respect your position. Certainly I do. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman