From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-amd64+bounces-11900-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1MgcBr-0004xj-Iu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:26:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE3DE0A8B; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5ACE0A8B for <gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1088409bwz.34 for <gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=viM4sBcCGGH1HXSo8WwGuF5pckPHLY9QR0GI5R9G0hw=; b=TCj1awGB8/z+m+GQvDZfLExQ3KaxQKmmx3dD5spezNJDf9qeFA7lgrGq+QK+Jkfg7U r1SV7fOPYUEvNzQcQUDjkXmCFmW0MIbcVvrOpLOmU0spICLZ+ajv1to3XN8e19+QlUR/ nXUsTwwNtfDFNefl4tnTa/CYI/PjG8AylYUU4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qA2/bvWXNE+NryjGeoaiUAPpRfIKy5GQUucKi7qIAAPoju/u/tCLzuJjF3heE29Pt2 akv2lRwhtUsf7yQtsc+aX3AInMzMNcHh5KXeR/o5Y3/4KgvVaF0XFZVz/fN08WhKrRFw siuN/A5jwsJNAeQbdQUgpJJ5jNHsMk47CI9eM= Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-amd64.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.88 with SMTP id c24mr3587187bkc.176.1251387361028; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0908270756n43c405d8m5806258ba68cf165@mail.gmail.com> References: <pan.2009.08.23.14.16.04@cox.net> <200908250133.23329.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <pan.2009.08.26.14.27.08@cox.net> <200908261813.52044.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <pan.2009.08.27.11.15.38@cox.net> <652883.3253.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <5bdc1c8b0908270756n43c405d8m5806258ba68cf165@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:36:00 +0300 Message-ID: <fecdbac60908270836v6e6c38b1g4708869bd5297ef9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers, From: "Arttu V." <arttuv69@gmail.com> To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 811d1c36-afa4-4466-9be1-3bdf2148901a X-Archives-Hash: 1548fd0d235356abbb38da412c5f7884 On 8/27/09, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote: > Moral of the story - don't trust portage to support your machine > tomorrow just because it works today, and don't expect portage > maintainers to care. The response you'll get, if you get one at all, > is 'be a man, create your own overlay, be responsible for your > machine, and shut up'. Given the possibly large-ish number of folks trying to run Gentoo on older hardware with similar problems, and given that there already are overlays for "bleeding edge" (qting-edge, kde-crazy, everything with live-scm ebuilds etc), maybe some of the old hw owners should organize a bit and try to pool their time into, e.g., a "grandpas-trusty" overlay with much of the old ebuilds easily available or something. I think it has already been suggested and considered that everything that gets removed from portage would instead get moved into some "old-stuff-dump" overlay, but I just don't have the time to look up any references and discussion over it right now ... Naturally it is not a perfect solution as bit-rot will inevitably get you when things like APIs and ABIs change enough, but just not having to hunt down everything from Attics (not to mention patch-packages and the original sources) into local overlays would probably be a considerable time-saver. But once again, it comes down to the question "ok, maybe it could work, who'll do it?" The regular devs seem to be pretty occupied given their current workload, so they might not have the extra oomph saved for this. -- Arttu V.