[gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Mark Haney]

How stable is FF 2 on amd64?  I know it's still masked, but if it seems 
to be more or less usable (and can be compiled), i want to throw it on 
my laptop.  if it's got serious issues, I don't have time right now to 
help debug so I'll wait a little longer.  I just want to see what the 
consensus is.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Rob Lesslie]

I have been using it since 2.0 was ~amd64 and it has been fine for me.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Stefan Vunckx]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 14:20, Rob Lesslie wrote:
> I have been using it since 2.0 was ~amd64 and it has been fine for me.
>
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> Rob Lesslie

Same for me. 
(And it isn't masked, just keyworded ~amd64 like stated above)

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Mark Haney]

Stefan Vunckx wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 14:20, Rob Lesslie wrote:
>> I have been using it since 2.0 was ~amd64 and it has been fine for me.
>>
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>> Rob Lesslie
> 
> Same for me. 
> (And it isn't masked, just keyworded ~amd64 like stated above)
> 
> stefan vunckx

Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else 
see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title 
bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling it, 
but will doing that fix the menu?


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Rob Lesslie]

> Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else
> see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title
> bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling it,
> but will doing that fix the menu?
>

I have been meaning to investigate this but Bon Echo is the Mozilla
Foundation codename for Firefox 2.0, and I *think* that there is a use
flag regarding branding.....

I am sure that someone will clarify this.

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RE: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[David Pyke]

Just activate the mozbranding use flag and it becomes Firefox (after giving you a build warning about not distributing the build) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Lesslie [mailto:roblesslie@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:56 AM
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

> Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else 
> see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title 
> bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling 
> it, but will doing that fix the menu?
>

I have been meaning to investigate this but Bon Echo is the Mozilla Foundation codename for Firefox 2.0, and I *think* that there is a use flag regarding branding.....

I am sure that someone will clarify this.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Mark Haney]

David Pyke wrote:
> Just activate the mozbranding use flag and it becomes Firefox (after giving you a build warning about not distributing the build) 
> 

Okay can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this?  Either from a 
Gentoo or Mozilla standpoint why this is the way it is?



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Harry Holt]

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It's a trademark issue - "Firefox" is a registered trademark.  See:
http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/faq.html

... HH

On 1/3/07, Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> wrote:
>
> David Pyke wrote:
> > Just activate the mozbranding use flag and it becomes Firefox (after
> giving you a build warning about not distributing the build)
> >
>
> Okay can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this?  Either from a
> Gentoo or Mozilla standpoint why this is the way it is?
>
>
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[gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

[Andrei Korolyov]

Hi all!

System crashes if any opengl application stopped (in gui or SIGTERM). 
The console printed, if active terminal is ttyv[1-6], register dump from 
kthreads, process, etc... simular problem also have at reboot with 
started X - after message "remounting all fs readonly" i have a kernel 
panic ("aiee, killing interrupt handler"). After making many changes in 
useflags and kernel config this trouble isn`t solved... Any ideas? (at 
32bit distribution all works without troubles :) )
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RE: [gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

[David Pyke]

 Kernel Panics like that are often hardware problems either the hardware itself or a driver.  Can you run memtest86 overnight and see if it passes?

Are you using any strange drivers?

With the wide range of problems and the things you've done, it sounds like a hardware problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Korolyov [mailto:xdel@quake.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:53 PM
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

Hi all!

System crashes if any opengl application stopped (in gui or SIGTERM). 
The console printed, if active terminal is ttyv[1-6], register dump from kthreads, process, etc... simular problem also have at reboot with started X - after message "remounting all fs readonly" i have a kernel panic ("aiee, killing interrupt handler"). After making many changes in useflags and kernel config this trouble isn`t solved... Any ideas? (at 32bit distribution all works without troubles :) )
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

[Andrei Korolyov]

David Pyke пишет:
>  Kernel Panics like that are often hardware problems either the hardware itself or a driver.  Can you run memtest86 overnight and see if it passes?
>
> Are you using any strange drivers?
>
> With the wide range of problems and the things you've done, it sounds like a hardware problem.
>
>
>   
Only proprietary NVidia drivers :) I have changes in 
kernel/nvidia-driver versions without any result... imho, it`s software 
trouble. Memory is stable (memtest passing for 2 days without err)
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

[Olivier Crete]

On Wed, 2007-03-01 at 21:52 +0300, Andrei Korolyov wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> System crashes if any opengl application stopped (in gui or SIGTERM). 
> The console printed, if active terminal is ttyv[1-6], register dump from 
> kthreads, process, etc... simular problem also have at reboot with 
> started X - after message "remounting all fs readonly" i have a kernel 
> panic ("aiee, killing interrupt handler"). After making many changes in 
> useflags and kernel config this trouble isn`t solved... Any ideas? (at 
> 32bit distribution all works without troubles :) )

Which X driver are you using?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] X.Org troubles

[Richard Fish]

On 1/3/07, Andrei Korolyov <xdel@quake.ru> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> System crashes if any opengl application stopped (in gui or SIGTERM).
> The console printed, if active terminal is ttyv[1-6], register dump from
> kthreads, process, etc... simular problem also have at reboot with
> started X - after message "remounting all fs readonly" i have a kernel
> panic ("aiee, killing interrupt handler"). After making many changes in
> useflags and kernel config this trouble isn`t solved... Any ideas? (at
> 32bit distribution all works without troubles :) )

Are you using the vesafb-tng driver from Gentoo sources?  If so, try
using the standard vesafb driver instead.

-Richard
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Duncan]

Andrei Korolyov <xdel@quake.ru> posted 459BFB6E.8050907@quake.ru,
excerpted below, on  Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:52:30 +0300:

> System crashes if any opengl application stopped (in gui or SIGTERM). The
> console printed, if active terminal is ttyv[1-6], register dump from
> kthreads, process, etc... simular problem also have at reboot with started
> X - after message "remounting all fs readonly" i have a kernel panic
> ("aiee, killing interrupt handler"). After making many changes in useflags
> and kernel config this trouble isn`t solved... Any ideas? (at 32bit
> distribution all works without troubles :) )

A number of points:

1) Don't hijack threads.  You replied to a firefox thread with this
totally unrelated item.  If you are going to start a new subject, start a
new thread with a NEW message, don't reply to an old thread with a REPLY
message.  Some people's clients actually thread messages according to the
references headers, and replying to a message means it (and its upthread)
are in the references header regardless of what you put in the subject.

2) You mention in a later reply that you are using nvidia proprietaryware
(aka slaveryware, see my sig) drivers.  I couldn't legally run such
software (where EULAs are considered legal, at least), since I can't agree
to the EULAs, even if I wanted to run them, and as I believe folks'
willingness to run such things only delays the availability of fully
functional freedomware solutions, I won't run them except possibly
in the interest of reverse engineering them.  Thus, the degree to which I
and those like me can help will be rather limited.  None-the-less...

3)  It would seem your OpenGL is screwed up.  I'd suggest you have a look
at eselect opengl <tab>, and see what your options are, then play with
them a bit.  My guess is that you may be somehow stuck with a half-way
NVidia-slaveryware implementation and a halfway native/freedomware
xorg/mesa implementation.  If you toggle it to the xorg/mesa
implementation, then to the slaveryware implementation, it may start
working once again.

4) (3) assumes that you used the Gentoo ebuild to install the slaveryware.
If you installed the NVidia stuff direct, you will have issues because it
doesn't understand the eselect switching mechanism Gentoo uses.  That
/will/ result in a mixed up system, one of the ways the screwup above
could occur in the first place.  You'll have to try uninstalling the
direct/manual install if possible, then try to merge the Gentoo package,
which will hopefully straighten things out.  If it doesn't, there are
additional steps you can try manually, but it's not something I've done
since I won't do slaveryware, and thus am not familiar with them enough to
try to explain (tho I've seen folks post that they eventually got it
working).  Ultimately, it may be that you'll need to backup your /home and
/etc settings and try a new stage-X install.  If you have been running
FEATURES=buildpkg, it won't be that difficult and you should be back up
and running with a recustomized system fairly quickly.  You can try
quickpkg to package up an existing system, but it might package up the
screwups too, so it's not so clear a solution.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Andrei Korolyov]

> A number of points:
>
> 1) Don't hijack threads.  You replied to a firefox thread with this
> totally unrelated item.  If you are going to start a new subject, start a
> new thread with a NEW message, don't reply to an old thread with a REPLY
> message.  Some people's clients actually thread messages according to the
> references headers, and replying to a message means it (and its upthread)
> are in the references header regardless of what you put in the subject.
>
> 2) You mention in a later reply that you are using nvidia proprietaryware
> (aka slaveryware, see my sig) drivers.  I couldn't legally run such
> software (where EULAs are considered legal, at least), since I can't agree
> to the EULAs, even if I wanted to run them, and as I believe folks'
> willingness to run such things only delays the availability of fully
> functional freedomware solutions, I won't run them except possibly
> in the interest of reverse engineering them.  Thus, the degree to which I
> and those like me can help will be rather limited.  None-the-less...
>
> 3)  It would seem your OpenGL is screwed up.  I'd suggest you have a look
> at eselect opengl <tab>, and see what your options are, then play with
> them a bit.  My guess is that you may be somehow stuck with a half-way
> NVidia-slaveryware implementation and a halfway native/freedomware
> xorg/mesa implementation.  If you toggle it to the xorg/mesa
> implementation, then to the slaveryware implementation, it may start
> working once again.
>
> 4) (3) assumes that you used the Gentoo ebuild to install the slaveryware.
> If you installed the NVidia stuff direct, you will have issues because it
> doesn't understand the eselect switching mechanism Gentoo uses.  That
> /will/ result in a mixed up system, one of the ways the screwup above
> could occur in the first place.  You'll have to try uninstalling the
> direct/manual install if possible, then try to merge the Gentoo package,
> which will hopefully straighten things out.  If it doesn't, there are
> additional steps you can try manually, but it's not something I've done
> since I won't do slaveryware, and thus am not familiar with them enough to
> try to explain (tho I've seen folks post that they eventually got it
> working).  Ultimately, it may be that you'll need to backup your /home and
> /etc settings and try a new stage-X install.  If you have been running
> FEATURES=buildpkg, it won't be that difficult and you should be back up
> and running with a recustomized system fairly quickly.  You can try
> quickpkg to package up an existing system, but it might package up the
> screwups too, so it's not so clear a solution.
>
>   

Thanks for corrections.

I`ll been used portage-based NVidia driver when i solve system crash. 
All actions which you tell will been maked without result many times 
later :(
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Duncan]

Andrei Korolyov <xdel@quake.ru> posted 459CBF18.5080208@quake.ru,
excerpted below, on  Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:47:20 +0300:

> I`ll been used portage-based NVidia driver when i solve system crash. 
> All actions which you tell will been maked without result many times 
> later :(

Well then, there's little more I can suggest, maybe others.  I assume
you rebuild your nvidia drivers after every kernel upgrade, right?  (If
you've done the other, probably so, but never hurts to be sure.)  Have you
tried reverting to an earlier kernel, say 2.6.18.whatever rather than
2.6.19, or even the 2.6.16 series (which continues to be maintained and
updated for security fixes and the like)?  There are known
incompatibilities between some of the later xorg versions and certain
nvidia drivers, but I'm afraid I don't keep up on what works with what. 
Others running the drivers should at minimum be able to confirm known
working combinations of xorg/kernel/nvidia, and of course the version(s)
of gcc used to compile them, and possibly glibc and linux-headers as well.
(FWIW, I've had issues with glibc-2.5, but they shouldn't be related to any
of this, but glibc is such a basic system library it's always a
possibility.)

Good luck.  Despite my disagreement with slaveryware software choices,
it's distressing to me when I see someone with a problem with something as
essential as video drivers, and I can't do anything to help.  When my
system isn't working correctly, something's just not right in my world,
and I seriously empathize with anyone in the same situation, regardless of
what they choose to run (even MSWormOS, tho I don't get involved with that
much anymore as my knowledge on the subject, at W98 vintage, is getting
very dated).

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 10:49 +0000, Duncan wrote:


>  There are known
> incompatibilities between some of the later xorg versions and certain
> nvidia drivers, but I'm afraid I don't keep up on what works with what. 

For your information, nvidia-drivers-1.0.8776 and xorg-server-1.0.2-r7
are compatible; -1.0.8776 and the xorg-server-1.1.1 series are not.
Reason is changes in xorg-server, and if you try the combination
-1.0.8776 and -1.1.1, you should not get anywhere at all:  it flat out
won't work.  I don't know off hand what xorg-server version the
nvidia-drivers-1.0.9xxx need.  The ebuilds will let you build an
incompatible pairing.


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> 
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Markku Kaukinen]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 14:51 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:

> For your information, nvidia-drivers-1.0.8776 and xorg-server-1.0.2-r7
> are compatible; -1.0.8776 and the xorg-server-1.1.1 series are not.
> Reason is changes in xorg-server, and if you try the combination
> -1.0.8776 and -1.1.1, you should not get anywhere at all:  it flat out
> won't work.  I don't know off hand what xorg-server version the
> nvidia-drivers-1.0.9xxx need.  The ebuilds will let you build an
> incompatible pairing.
> 

Are you sure, I think it was version prior 1.0.8776 that had problems with 
xorg 1.1.1.

At least this is what I have and absolutely no problems:

#emerge --search nvidia-drivers xorg-server
Searching...   
[ Results for search key : nvidia-drivers ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]
 
*  x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers
      Latest version available: 1.0.8776
      Latest version installed: 1.0.8776
      Size of files: 25,303 kB
      Homepage:      http://www.nvidia.com/
      Description:   NVIDIA X11 driver and GLX libraries
      License:       NVIDIA


Searching...   
[ Results for search key : xorg-server ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]
 
*  x11-base/xorg-server
      Latest version available: 1.1.1-r1
      Latest version installed: 1.1.1-r1
      Size of files: 9,170 kB
      Homepage:      http://xorg.freedesktop.org/
      Description:   X.Org X servers
      License:       xorg-server MIT



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 17:07 +0200, Markku Kaukinen wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 14:51 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> 
> > For your information, nvidia-drivers-1.0.8776 and xorg-server-1.0.2-r7
> > are compatible; -1.0.8776 and the xorg-server-1.1.1 series are not.
> > Reason is changes in xorg-server, and if you try the combination
> > -1.0.8776 and -1.1.1, you should not get anywhere at all:  it flat out
> > won't work.  I don't know off hand what xorg-server version the
> > nvidia-drivers-1.0.9xxx need.  The ebuilds will let you build an
> > incompatible pairing.
> > 
> 
> Are you sure, I think it was version prior 1.0.8776 that had problems with 
> xorg 1.1.1.
> 

Not any more.

> At least this is what I have and absolutely no problems:
> 
> #emerge --search nvidia-drivers xorg-server
> Searching...   
> [ Results for search key : nvidia-drivers ]
> [ Applications found : 1 ]
>  
> *  x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers
>       Latest version available: 1.0.8776
>       Latest version installed: 1.0.8776
>       Size of files: 25,303 kB
>       Homepage:      http://www.nvidia.com/
>       Description:   NVIDIA X11 driver and GLX libraries
>       License:       NVIDIA
> 
> 
> Searching...   
> [ Results for search key : xorg-server ]
> [ Applications found : 1 ]
>  
> *  x11-base/xorg-server
>       Latest version available: 1.1.1-r1
>       Latest version installed: 1.1.1-r1
>       Size of files: 9,170 kB
>       Homepage:      http://xorg.freedesktop.org/
>       Description:   X.Org X servers
>       License:       xorg-server MIT
> 
> 
> 
>   -- Markku
> 
> 
I was sure until I read your letter.  Now I'm confused. :)  I thought I
knew where the xorg-server change was introduced, but either I didn't or
else the nvidia-driver doesn't care.  So, I defer to someone who knows.

Sorry for causing confusion.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Markku Kaukinen]

On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 15:22 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:

> I was sure until I read your letter.  Now I'm confused. :)  I thought I
> knew where the xorg-server change was introduced, but either I didn't or
> else the nvidia-driver doesn't care.  So, I defer to someone who knows.
> 

Found this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145004


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: X.Org troubles

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 17:33 +0200, Markku Kaukinen wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-01-04 at 15:22 +0000, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> 
> > I was sure until I read your letter.  Now I'm confused. :)  I thought I
> > knew where the xorg-server change was introduced, but either I didn't or
> > else the nvidia-driver doesn't care.  So, I defer to someone who knows.
> > 
> 
> Found this bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145004
> 
> 
>   -- Markku
> 
> 

Thanks.  So the answer is that the nvidia-driver no longer cares.  As
you see from my signature, amd64 is not my home, and I don't keep
current enough to make the statement I did.

I promise to be more careful in the future.  I was trying just to give
Duncan some information, and ended up passing on out-of-date information
instead.

Embarrassed,
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:49, "Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64':
> Stefan Vunckx wrote:
> Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else
> see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title
> bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling it,
> but will doing that fix the menu?

As others have mentioned, check the mozbranding USE flag.

Any binaries that aren't from the pristine source (e.g. with any unapproved 
patches) that use the Mozilla Branding (i.e. the Firefox name and Icon, 
controlled in Gentoo with the mozbranding USE flag) are subject to the 
same issue that Debian saw during the "IceWeasel" debacle

Personally, I deal with enough branding, so I leave the mozbranding USE 
flag off.  [As a side-effect, any packages or binaries I build can be 
freely distributed under my choice of the GPL or MPL since they are not 
subject to trademark issues.]

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Daemon Xavier]

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Latest release works well, the only thing is no flash! XD so i have
firefox-bin for my you-tube and gvideo fun time!

On 1/3/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:49, "Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>
> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64':
> > Stefan Vunckx wrote:
> > Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else
> > see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title
> > bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling it,
> > but will doing that fix the menu?
>
> As others have mentioned, check the mozbranding USE flag.
>
> Any binaries that aren't from the pristine source (e.g. with any
> unapproved
> patches) that use the Mozilla Branding (i.e. the Firefox name and Icon,
> controlled in Gentoo with the mozbranding USE flag) are subject to the
> same issue that Debian saw during the "IceWeasel" debacle
>
> Personally, I deal with enough branding, so I leave the mozbranding USE
> flag off.  [As a side-effect, any packages or binaries I build can be
> freely distributed under my choice of the GPL or MPL since they are not
> subject to trademark issues.]
>
> --
> "If there's one thing we've established over the years,
> it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
> clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
> -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
>
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 03 January 2007 13:42, "Daemon Xavier" 
<daemon.xavier@gmail.com> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on 
amd64':
> Latest release works well, the only thing is no flash! XD so i have
> firefox-bin for my you-tube and gvideo fun time!

There is a script using Perl::curl that will download a youtube video as as 
mpeg that can be played with mplayer.  It was posted to one of the gentoo 
lists recently, probably this one or gentoo-user.

Google allows you to simply download their videos.  If you choose the PSP 
version, it is also playable in mplayer.

For either of these, you can substitute your favorite video player for 
mplayer -- I believe both xinelib and the gstreamer framework have the 
necessary codecs.

PS
A: Because the reverses the order of conversation.
Q: Why is top-posting so annoying?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What's the most annoying thing on mailing lists?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:55:29 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> There is a script using Perl::curl that will download a youtube video
> as as mpeg that can be played with mplayer.  It was posted to one of
> the gentoo lists recently, probably this one or gentoo-user.

http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user%40lists.gentoo.org/msg48504.html

Although according to file, the downloaded files are flash, but mplayer
plays them.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 03 January 2007 23:34, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:55:29 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > There is a script using Perl::curl that will download a youtube video
> > as as mpeg that can be played with mplayer.  It was posted to one of
> > the gentoo lists recently, probably this one or gentoo-user.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user%40lists.gentoo.org/msg48504.html
>
> Although according to file, the downloaded files are flash, but mplayer
> plays them.

They are not flash, they are flash video. Which is a format that mplayer 
indeed knows how to play.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Joaquim Quinteiro Uchoa]

I can use flash in firefox 2 using net-www/nspluginwrapper. Works fine here.


2007/1/3, Daemon Xavier <daemon.xavier@gmail.com>:
> Latest release works well, the only thing is no flash! XD so i have
> firefox-bin for my you-tube and gvideo fun time!

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Mark Haney]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:49, "Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> 
> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64':
>> Stefan Vunckx wrote:
>> Okay I compiled and installed it, it works great but does anyone else
>> see it in their menu list as 'Bon Echo'?  I also see that in the title
>> bar.  I haven't rebooted or regenerated my kde menu since compiling it,
>> but will doing that fix the menu?
> 
> As others have mentioned, check the mozbranding USE flag.
> 
> Any binaries that aren't from the pristine source (e.g. with any unapproved 
> patches) that use the Mozilla Branding (i.e. the Firefox name and Icon, 
> controlled in Gentoo with the mozbranding USE flag) are subject to the 
> same issue that Debian saw during the "IceWeasel" debacle
> 
> Personally, I deal with enough branding, so I leave the mozbranding USE 
> flag off.  [As a side-effect, any packages or binaries I build can be 
> freely distributed under my choice of the GPL or MPL since they are not 
> subject to trademark issues.]
> 

Ah, now it makes sense.  But since I have no intention of building 
anything to be distributed or used for other than what it was designed 
for, I'm okay with the branding.  Most times I treat brands like I treat 
my kids when they get rowdy, I mentally turn off any notice of them.



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[gentoo-amd64] Re: firefox 2 on amd64

[Duncan]

"Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> posted
459C0E03.3080003@ercbroadband.org, excerpted below, on  Wed, 03 Jan 2007
15:11:47 -0500:

> Ah, now it makes sense.  But since I have no intention of building 
> anything to be distributed or used for other than what it was designed 
> for, I'm okay with the branding.  Most times I treat brands like I treat 
> my kids when they get rowdy, I mentally turn off any notice of them.

Admittedly being a bit pedantic, that isn't quite true, at least with
"that browser otherwise called Firefox". You not only notice but accord
some value to the brand, as you not only noticed but obviously prefer the
Firefox branding, or you'd prefer "Bon Echo" or whatever, since the only
positive is the branding, which you wouldn't care about, and it comes with
a big negative, restrictions on your legal right to give your friend a
copy, should they need or want one.

So it appears you care rather more about branding than you claim.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: firefox 2 on amd64

[Wil Reichert]

On 1/3/07, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> "Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> posted
> 459C0E03.3080003@ercbroadband.org, excerpted below, on  Wed, 03 Jan 2007
> 15:11:47 -0500:
>
> > Ah, now it makes sense.  But since I have no intention of building
> > anything to be distributed or used for other than what it was designed
> > for, I'm okay with the branding.  Most times I treat brands like I treat
> > my kids when they get rowdy, I mentally turn off any notice of them.
>
> Admittedly being a bit pedantic, that isn't quite true, at least with
> "that browser otherwise called Firefox". You not only notice but accord
> some value to the brand, as you not only noticed but obviously prefer the
> Firefox branding, or you'd prefer "Bon Echo" or whatever, since the only
> positive is the branding, which you wouldn't care about, and it comes with
> a big negative, restrictions on your legal right to give your friend a
> copy, should they need or want one.
>
> So it appears you care rather more about branding than you claim.

Ha, I feel silly now for not adding 1+1.  I'd read all about the
Debian iceweasel stuff, but never stopped to consider why Gentoo was
calling it 'Bon Echo' or why the logo was missing the orange splash.
Thinking I still really don't care all that much...

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: firefox 2 on amd64

[Duncan]

"Wil Reichert" <wil.reichert@gmail.com> posted
7a329d910701040535p52660134ib68bff5e183b1e00@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on  Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:35:39 -0800:

> Ha, I feel silly now for not adding 1+1.  I'd read all about the
> Debian iceweasel stuff, but never stopped to consider why Gentoo was
> calling it 'Bon Echo' or why the logo was missing the orange splash.
> Thinking I still really don't care all that much...

Now /that's/ someone who doesn't care about branding! Don't care now that
he knows, didn't care enough for it to bother him enough to investigate,
when he didn't.  =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 03 January 2007 07:17, "Mark Haney" <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> 
wrote about '[gentoo-amd64] firefox 2 on amd64':
> How stable is FF 2 on amd64?

I haven't had any problems.  I've had it installed ever since it hit 
~amd64, but I use konqueror for most of my web-browsing needs.

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[gentoo-amd64] OT, Ciaran sig quote, reference? Was: firefox 2 on amd64

[Duncan]

"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss03@volumehost.net> posted
200701030730.09830.bss03@volumehost.net, excerpted below, on  Wed, 03 Jan
2007 07:30:02 -0600:

> -- 
> "If there's one thing we've established over the years,
> it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
> clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
> -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh

This seems to be a popular quote around the Gentoo lists.  I'd like to
know the context.  I tried Googling it but only came up with several sig
hits, none of which included a reference.  Would you happen to have a
reference to the original, or be able to point me to where I might find
it.  (I haven't yet tried asking Ciaranm directly, tho the thought has
occurred to me.)

Of course, I'd also be interested in why you chose the quote.  Is it a
quote in agreement, or disagreement, and why do you think that?  However,
seeing the quote in its original context might help with that.  (I had a
further paragraph of discussion but decided this list, let alone the
thread, wasn't the place for it.)

Feel free to mail disregard the list replies preferred and mail me
privately if you wish a more detailed response that is appropriate for the
list.  (I don't believe a simple reference and perhaps a paragraph or two
reply would be inappropriate, but that's me...)

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] OT, Ciaran sig quote, reference? Was: firefox 2 on amd64

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Thursday 04 January 2007 09:08, Duncan wrote:
> > "If there's one thing we've established over the years,
> > it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
> > clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
> > -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
>
> This seems to be a popular quote around the Gentoo lists.  I'd like to
> know the context.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/154604/focus=154953

For the record I agree(d) with Ciaran on this point.

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: OT, Ciaran sig quote, reference? Was: firefox 2 on amd64

[Duncan]

Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> posted
200701041152.04572.bo.andresen@zlin.dk, excerpted below, on  Thu, 04 Jan
2007 11:52:00 +0100:

> For the record I agree(d) with Ciaran on this point.

Thanks!

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: OT, Ciaran sig quote, reference? Was: firefox 2 on amd64

[Duncan]

Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> posted
200701041152.04572.bo.andresen@zlin.dk, excerpted below, on  Thu, 04 Jan
2007 11:52:00 +0100:

> On Thursday 04 January 2007 09:08, Duncan wrote:
>> > "If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the
>> > vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best
>> > for them in terms of package stability." -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran
>> > McCreesh
>>
>> This seems to be a popular quote around the Gentoo lists.  I'd like to
>> know the context.
> 
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/154604/focus=154953
> 
> For the record I agree(d) with Ciaran on this point.

Again, thank you very much.  Good old Ciaran, absolutely forthright if a
bit controversial, but now that I know the context, I agree, within the
context, as well.  I overule keywords and masking often enough myself, but
I greatly appreciate the hard work Gentoo devs (and testers) put into the
entire framework, so I can pick and choose what I want to overrule, and
remain relatively confident about the reasonableness of the defaults for
everything else.

FWIW, that thread is getting bookmarked. =8^)

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: firefox 2 on amd64

[Regis Decamps]

Mark Haney wrote:
> How stable is FF 2 on amd64?  I know it's still masked, but if it seems 
> to be more or less usable (and can be compiled), i want to throw it on 
> my laptop.  if it's got serious issues, I don't have time right now to 
> help debug so I'll wait a little longer.  I just want to see what the 
> consensus is.
> 

Hi,

I might be alone, but I find firefox 2.0 less stable than 1.5. I don't 
say it is unusable, but it is noticeably less stable than ffx 1.5

I've just upgraded to 2.0.0.1. I hope the stability to be improved.

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