* [gentoo-amd64] SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone?
@ 2006-09-22 19:35 Mark Knecht
2006-09-22 23:42 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-22 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-amd64
It turns out that for me the problem was the ati-drivers package.
Switching to the radeon driver today lowered the CPU usage back to the
9% range that I was used to:
mark@lightning ~ $ top
top - 12:35:05 up 4:07, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.16
Tasks: 91 total, 1 running, 89 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie
Cpu(s): 12.3% us, 2.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 85.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
Mem: 1025944k total, 431836k used, 594108k free, 19672k buffers
Swap: 2008084k total, 0k used, 2008084k free, 167108k cached
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
11115 mark 15 0 247m 100m 30m S 9.6 10.1 18:13.38 mythfrontend
10794 root 15 0 208m 34m 20m S 3.7 3.5 7:40.66 X
912 root -42 -5 0 0 0 S 0.7 0.0 0:50.06 IRQ 217
Cheers,
Mark
On 9/14/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm just curious whether anyone besides me is noticing their
> machine feeling somewhat sluggish since doing the gcc-4.1 upgrade?
> Mine seems ot be using a lot of memory. Alt-tabbing between windows
> seems slow. Ethernet traffic in my browser is causing pretty
> noticeable interruptions in things like MythTV.
>
> I noticed that the rtirq scripts were not setting one of my sound
> cards priorities correctly after the upgrade so I changed the config
> file and fixed that, but I don't think it should have changed at all.
>
> The machine is still quite usable, but it doesn't feel as snappy as
> it did last week.
>
> I made no changes in /etc/make.conf for the upgrade. Everything is
> pretty basic as far as I can tell:
>
> CFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe"
> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> USE="dri radeon mmx mmxext sse sse2 3dnow 3dnowext gnome kde -esd
> -arts ladspa nptl nptlonly audiofile gimp gimpprint ppds usb alsa cdr
> dvd dvdr dvdread jack jack-tmpfs fluidsynth tcltk sndfile v4l v4l2
> mysql flac xscreensaver -samba i8x0 mythtv apache2 -lirc mjpeg xvid
> real cjk unicode vorbis ogg truetype java -eds"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> MAKEOPTS="-j2"
>
> 3GHz AMD64 with 1GB & NVidia chipset/SATA drives.
>
> Mark
>
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* [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-22 19:35 [gentoo-amd64] SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-22 23:42 ` Duncan 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Duncan @ 2006-09-22 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted 5bdc1c8b0609221235i2270bbenf016d5fa7a1998ec@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:47 -0700: > It turns out that for me the problem was the ati-drivers package. > Switching to the radeon driver today lowered the CPU usage back to the 9% > range that I was used to: Thanks! Always nice to see freedomware win. =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-22 23:42 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan @ 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 8:28 ` Christoph Mende ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/22/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted > 5bdc1c8b0609221235i2270bbenf016d5fa7a1998ec@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:47 -0700: > > > It turns out that for me the problem was the ati-drivers package. > > Switching to the radeon driver today lowered the CPU usage back to the 9% > > range that I was used to: > > Thanks! Always nice to see freedomware win. =8^) > I agree Duncan. Now, the one issue left for complete world domination would be to better understand how to get DRI working with this video adapter. Am I correct that DRI==3D? Or does DRI go further than just basic 3D and help other things like MythTV or something else I'm not thinking of at all? I do see these messages in xorg.0.log: (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveMode returns 0x709390 (WW) RADEON(0): Enabling DRM support *** Direct rendering support is highly experimental for Radeon 9500 *** and newer cards. The 3d mesa driver is not provided in this tree. *** A very experimental (and incomplete) version is available from Mesa CVS. *** Additional information can be found on http://r300.sourceforge.net *** This message has been last modified on 2005-08-07. drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) I do NOT do ANY Linux-based 3D stuff today. My workload is Mainly music applications - Ardour, etc., which do not care about 3D, web browsing, MythTV and Xine to watch movies. Do I / should I care about DRI? I do occasionally play Windows games under Cedega. Would DRI ever help that sort of application? Anyway, things seem to be in pretty good shape. Maybe I should just leave good enough alone. ;-) Cheers, Mark P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 8:28 ` Christoph Mende 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Christoph Mende @ 2006-09-23 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2459 bytes --] DRI is hardware accelerated 3D rendering. You don't need it for music apps, but you most probably need it for your Windows games, without direct rendering you will use software rendering and get most likely get <5 fps in OpenGL games. It may be nice to have direct rendering for xine too, since xine can output its videos through OpenGL - don't know about MythTV though. 2006/9/23, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>: > > On 9/22/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > > "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted > > 5bdc1c8b0609221235i2270bbenf016d5fa7a1998ec@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > > below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:47 -0700: > > > > > It turns out that for me the problem was the ati-drivers package. > > > Switching to the radeon driver today lowered the CPU usage back to the > 9% > > > range that I was used to: > > > > Thanks! Always nice to see freedomware win. =8^) > > > > I agree Duncan. > > Now, the one issue left for complete world domination would be to > better understand how to get DRI working with this video adapter. Am I > correct that DRI==3D? Or does DRI go further than just basic 3D and > help other things like MythTV or something else I'm not thinking of at > all? > > I do see these messages in xorg.0.log: > > (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveMode returns 0x709390 > (WW) RADEON(0): Enabling DRM support > > *** Direct rendering support is highly experimental for Radeon > 9500 > *** and newer cards. The 3d mesa driver is not provided in this > tree. > *** A very experimental (and incomplete) version is available > from Mesa CVS. > *** Additional information can be found on > http://r300.sourceforge.net > *** This message has been last modified on 2005-08-07. > > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) > > I do NOT do ANY Linux-based 3D stuff today. My workload is Mainly > music applications - Ardour, etc., which do not care about 3D, web > browsing, MythTV and Xine to watch movies. Do I / should I care about > DRI? > > I do occasionally play Windows games under Cedega. Would DRI ever help > that sort of application? > > Anyway, things seem to be in pretty good shape. Maybe I should just > leave good enough alone. ;-) > > Cheers, > Mark > > P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now > there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK > -- > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3313 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 8:28 ` Christoph Mende @ 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 21:00 ` Duncan 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Greg Bur @ 2006-09-23 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/22/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/22/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > > "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted > > 5bdc1c8b0609221235i2270bbenf016d5fa7a1998ec@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > > below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:47 -0700: > P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now > there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK > -- I put my workstation through its paces last weekend using Duncan's flags and so far I've only run across one package that gave me problems and that was Evolution. It didn't like the LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,now" I can't really say if I've noticed a huge difference in performance because I use Windowmaker which is already pretty snappy but some of my apps such as Firefox seem to be a few steps quicker but that might all be in my head. Altogether it took about 18 hours to recompile the whole mess and nothing fell apart other than a slight issue with Evolution. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur @ 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 10:16 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:49 ` Peter Humphrey 2006-09-23 21:00 ` Duncan 1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/23/06, Greg Bur <greg.bur@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/22/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9/22/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > > > "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted > > > 5bdc1c8b0609221235i2270bbenf016d5fa7a1998ec@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > > > below, on Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:47 -0700: > > > P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now > > there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK > > -- > > I put my workstation through its paces last weekend using Duncan's > flags and so far I've only run across one package that gave me > problems and that was Evolution. It didn't like the > LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,now" > > I can't really say if I've noticed a huge difference in performance > because I use Windowmaker which is already pretty snappy but some of > my apps such as Firefox seem to be a few steps quicker but that might > all be in my head. Altogether it took about 18 hours to recompile the > whole mess and nothing fell apart other than a slight issue with > Evolution. Cool. So you did essentially the emerge -e system emerge -e system emerge -e world steps that you did when upgrading gcc to get there? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 10:16 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:49 ` Peter Humphrey 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Greg Bur @ 2006-09-23 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/23/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote: > Cool. So you did essentially the > > emerge -e system > emerge -e system > emerge -e world > > steps that you did when upgrading gcc to get there? > > Thanks, > Mark Yes, although I used emerge -eav system just so I had one more chance to think before diving in for a swim. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 10:16 ` Greg Bur @ 2006-09-23 10:49 ` Peter Humphrey 2006-09-23 17:40 ` Mark Knecht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Peter Humphrey @ 2006-09-23 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > So you did essentially the > > emerge -e system > emerge -e system > emerge -e world > > steps that you did when upgrading gcc to get there? Er, the GCC upgrade guide [1] only mentions a single emerge -e system to go from 3.4.4 to 4.1.1, and that's what I'm doing just now. I hope I don't need the second step. 1. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml -- Rgds Peter -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 10:49 ` Peter Humphrey @ 2006-09-23 17:40 ` Mark Knecht 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/23/06, Peter Humphrey <prh@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:03, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > So you did essentially the > > > > emerge -e system > > emerge -e system > > emerge -e world > > > > steps that you did when upgrading gcc to get there? > > Er, the GCC upgrade guide [1] only mentions a single emerge -e system to go > from 3.4.4 to 4.1.1, and that's what I'm doing just now. I hope I don't > need the second step. > > 1. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml > > -- > Rgds > Peter Peter, I take it back. I was thinking of something else. Here is the set of instructions I asked about on this list and was told were correct: # emerge -uav gcc # gcc-config i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 # source /etc/profile # fix_libtool_files.sh 3.4.6 # emerge --oneshot -av libtool # emerge -eav system # emerge -eav world I actually asked whether the emerge -eav world was necessary or whether the system was usable after the emerge system was complete. Boyd said that some folks had had problems so I did the emerge -eav world and didn't use the system until it was complete. NOTE: emerge --resume --skipfirst was my friend as a number of packages didn't build the first time. I picked them up later. Sorry for the confusion. I shouldn't work from memory! ;-) Cheers, Mark Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-23 21:00 ` Duncan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Duncan @ 2006-09-23 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 "Greg Bur" <greg.bur@gmail.com> posted 976cb44f0609230255s14bcc37dj36d53f90cbf765bc@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:55:59 -0400: > I put my workstation through its paces last weekend using Duncan's flags > and so far I've only run across one package that gave me problems and that > was Evolution. It didn't like the LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,now" That's reasonable, since I don't use Evolution. (I use kmail for mail, pan for news, and don't need Evolution's other features.) You may wish to file a bug on that, altho I can't say you'll get a good reception. See my related bug on modular-X: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116698 If evolution has anything setuid, as was the case with xorg, it may help, since portage's handling of that was one thing that eventually turned the above bug toward satisfactory resolution. I have no idea whether evolution has anything setuid or not. As for that ldflag, it's not major, more a personal preference. In most cases, what it does is force library resolution and function loading at load time instead of waiting until the functionality is required in some cases. This results in a slightly longer load time, particularly shortly after a reboot when nothing's yet in cache or loaded by other apps, and slightly higher memory usage as well. That's the negatives, along with the occasional app that has problems with it. The positives are that if the library isn't found, you know about it at load time instead of possibly having the app crash later when it tries to load the functions, a bit more responsiveness after load the first time those functions are used (when the system would otherwise be loading the library and linking in the functions on demand), and a bit better security. All in all, as I said, it's a personal preference. I don't specifically recommend it as an optimization, and in fact, for those with less than a gig of memory (as well as those who don't want the occasional hassle with an app allergic to the setting), I'd tend to recommend NOT using it. As for LDFLAGS in general, I've mentioned previously that I'm looking for more documentation on them. There's some others I've seen in bug reports or mentioned in passing that look interesting, but I simply don't /begin/ to know enough about them to even /consider/ using them at this point. Until that changes, I leave well enough alone. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 8:28 ` Christoph Mende 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur @ 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini 2006-09-25 20:55 ` Piotr Pruszczak 2006-09-26 1:09 ` Mark Knecht 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Sergio Polini @ 2006-09-25 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 Mark Knecht: > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) Great! ;-) I've lost DRI when I've switched to modular X. I see in Xorg.0.log: drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed ... (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM [dri] Disabling DRI. Please, could you tell me: i) kernel version; ii) the relevant settings in your kernel .config, for instance: CONFIG_MTRR CONFIG_AGP CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 CONFIG_AGP_INTEL CONFIG_DRM iii) mesa version; iv) have you emerged x11-drm? v) your "Device" section in xorg.conf; vi) whatever info you think could help me ;-) Thanks Sergio > > I do NOT do ANY Linux-based 3D stuff today. My workload is Mainly > music applications - Ardour, etc., which do not care about 3D, web > browsing, MythTV and Xine to watch movies. Do I / should I care > about DRI? > > I do occasionally play Windows games under Cedega. Would DRI ever > help that sort of application? > > Anyway, things seem to be in pretty good shape. Maybe I should just > leave good enough alone. ;-) > > Cheers, > Mark > > P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now > there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini @ 2006-09-25 20:55 ` Piotr Pruszczak 2006-10-08 18:44 ` Sergio Polini 2006-09-26 1:09 ` Mark Knecht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Piotr Pruszczak @ 2006-09-25 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 876 bytes --] CONFIG_MTRR = YES CONFIG_AGP = NO ?? I have PCI-E CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 ?? CONFIG_AGP_INTEL NO ?? CONFIG_DRM NO > iii) mesa version; > iv) have you emerged x11-drm? > v) your "Device" section in xorg.conf; > vi) whatever info you think could help me ;-) > > Thanks > Sergio > > >> I do NOT do ANY Linux-based 3D stuff today. My workload is Mainly >> music applications - Ardour, etc., which do not care about 3D, web >> browsing, MythTV and Xine to watch movies. Do I / should I care >> about DRI? >> >> I do occasionally play Windows games under Cedega. Would DRI ever >> help that sort of application? >> >> Anyway, things seem to be in pretty good shape. Maybe I should just >> leave good enough alone. ;-) >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> P.S. - I'm still curious about trying your compiler flags but now >> there is no pressing timeframe to do it in on this machine. - MWK [-- Attachment #2: DRM.txt --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 959 bytes --] gentoo / # module-rebuild list ** Packages which I will emerge are: =media-libs/mesa-6.5.1 =sys-fs/submount-0.9-r2 =x11-base/x11-drm-20060608 =sys-apps/realtime-lsm-0.8.5-r1 =sys-fs/fuse-2.6.0_rc1 then modprobe drm radeon (and for me realtime) gentoo / # emerge --info Portage 2.1.2_pre1 (default-linux/amd64/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.1/amd64-vanilla, glibc-2.4-r3, 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 x86_64) ================================================================= System uname: 2.6.17-gentoo-r8 x86_64 Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 165 Gentoo Base System version 1.12.5 Last Sync: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:30:09 +0000 NO DRM in kernel (but I have PCI-E) Radeon X 550 gentoo / # glxgears 14300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2859.914 FPS 14191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2838.017 FPS gentoo / # glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 [-- Attachment #3: make.conf --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 2007 bytes --] # These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically built this stage # Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example USE="-arts X multilib jpeg jpeg2k jp2 lzw lzw-tiff yv12 zlib radeon caps nptl nptlonly jack-tmpfs gtk gnome qt kde alsa jack dvd cdr jpeg ogg opengl readline sdl directfb tiff truetype unicode vorbis xine xml xml2 xvid ieee1394 gtk2 ffmpeg fftw divx4linux dvdr dvdread avi a52 aac 3dnow sse cdparanoia dv ffmpeg gphoto2 multilib perl python portaudio ruby sndfile usb vorbis win32codecs wxwindows dri hal" CFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe -frename-registers -fweb -freorder-blocks -freorder-blocks-and-partition -combine -funit-at-a-time -ftree-pre -fgcse-sm -fgcse-las -fgcse-after-reload -fmerge-all-constants " CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" #CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe -frename-registers -fweb -freorder-blocks -funit-at-a-time -ftree-pre -fgcse-sm -fgcse-las -fgcse-after-reload -fmerge-all-constants" MAKEOPTS="-j3" PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage FEATURES="buildpkg ccache" CCACHE_SIZE="2G" ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" VIDEO_CARDS="radeon vesa fbdev" LANG="en_US" LINGUAS="pl,en" ALSA_CARDS="ice1712" GENTOO_MIRRORS="rsync://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/sunsite.unc.edu/ ftp://gentoo.arcticnetwork.ca/pub/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.tu-dresden.de/pub/Linux/sunsite/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.dtiltas.lt/mirror/gentoo/ http://mirror.uni-c.dk/pub/gentoo/ http://mirror.usu.edu/mirrors/gentoo/ ftp://cs.ubishops.ca/pub/gentoo http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/gentoo/ http://ftp.linux.ee/pub/gentoo/distfiles/ http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/gentoo/ http://src.gentoo.pl http://gentoo.prz.rzeszow.pl http://gentoo.zie.pg.gda.pl ftp://cs.ubishops.ca/pub/gentoo " [-- Attachment #4: xorg.conf --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 16006 bytes --] # File generated by xorgconfig. # # Copyright 2004 The X.Org Foundation # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. 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Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection "extmod" # Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the font modules # Load "type1" # Load "speedo" Load "freetype" # Load "xtt" # This loads the GLX module Load "glx" # This loads the DRI module Load "dri" Load "dbe" # Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "drm" # libdrm.a EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/local/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # The module search path. The default path is shown here. EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # Option "NoTrapSignals" # Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><Fn> VT switch sequence # (where n is 1 through 12). This allows clients to receive these key # events. # Option "DontVTSwitch" # Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # Option "DontZap" # Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # Option "Dont Zoom" # Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune client. With # it the client can still run and fetch card and monitor attributes, # but it will not be allowed to change them. If it tries it will # receive a protocol error. # Option "DisableVidModeExtension" # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local xvidtune client. # Option "AllowNonLocalXvidtune" # Uncomment this to disable dynamically modifying the input device # (mouse and keyboard) settings. # Option "DisableModInDev" # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local client to # change the keyboard or mouse settings (currently only xset). # Option "AllowNonLocalModInDev" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Core keyboard's InputDevice section # ********************************************************************** Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "kbd" # For most OSs the protocol can be omitted (it defaults to "Standard"). # When using XQUEUE (only for SVR3 and SVR4, but not Solaris), # uncomment the following line. # Option "Protocol" "Xqueue" Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Option "Xleds" "1 2 3" # Option "LeftAlt" "Meta" # Option "RightAlt" "ModeShift" # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). 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In # almost every case these lines should be omitted. # Option "BaudRate" "9600" # Option "SampleRate" "150" # Mouse wheel mapping. Default is to map vertical wheel to buttons 4 & 5, # horizontal wheel to buttons 6 & 7. Change if your mouse has more than # 3 buttons and you need to map the wheel to different button ids to avoid # conflicts. Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) Option "Emulate3Buttons" # Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50" # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # Option "ChordMiddle" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Other input device sections # this is optional and is required only if you # are using extended input devices. This is for example only. Refer # to the xorg.conf man page for a description of the options. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "Mouse2" # Driver "mouse" # Option "Protocol" "MouseMan" # Option "Device" "/dev/mouse2" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "spaceball" # Driver "magellan" # Option "Device" "/dev/cua0" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "spaceball2" # Driver "spaceorb" # Option "Device" "/dev/cua0" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "touchscreen0" # Driver "microtouch" # Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" # Option "MinX" "1412" # Option "MaxX" "15184" # Option "MinY" "15372" # Option "MaxY" "1230" # Option "ScreenNumber" "0" # Option "ReportingMode" "Scaled" # Option "ButtonNumber" "1" # Option "SendCoreEvents" # EndSection # # Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "touchscreen1" # Driver "elo2300" # Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" # Option "MinX" "231" # Option "MaxX" "3868" # Option "MinY" "3858" # Option "MaxY" "272" # Option "ScreenNumber" "0" # Option "ReportingMode" "Scaled" # Option "ButtonThreshold" "17" # Option "ButtonNumber" "1" # Option "SendCoreEvents" # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "fe770" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 31.5 - 64.3 # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-90 EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Standard VGA Device: Section "Device" Identifier "rv370" VendorName "ATI" BoardName "RV370" # The chipset line is optional in most cases. It can be used to override # the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified. # Chipset "radeon" # The Driver line must be present. When using run-time loadable driver # modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver # module. Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line # indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section. Driver "radeon" # Option "AGPMode" "1" # 1-8 Does not affect PCIE models. Option "AGPFastWrite" "1" # 1/0 Does not affect PCIE models. # Option "AGPFastwrite" "1" # Option "BusType" "PCIE" Option "AGPMode" "4" Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" Option "RenderAccel" "on" # This two lines are needed to prevent fonts from being scrambled Option "XaaNoScanlineImageWriteRect" Option "XaaNoScanlineCPUToScreenColorExpandFill" # Misc Option "EnablePageFlip" "1" # 1/0 Increases 3D performance substantially # seemingly in XAA mode only Option "ColorTiling" "1" # 1/0 Increases 3D performance substantially # affected stability only positively on my system # The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices # this section is intended for. When this line isn't present, a device # section can only match up with the primary video device. For PCI # devices a line like the following could be used. This line should not # normally be included unless there is more than one video device # intalled. # BusID "PCI:0:10:0" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Device configured by xorgconfig: Section "Device" Identifier "rv370" Driver "r300" VideoRam 131072 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # Any number of screen sections may be present. Each describes # the configuration of a single screen. A single specific screen section # may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen" # option. Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "rv370" Monitor "fe770" DefaultDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # ********************************************************************** # ServerLayout sections. # ********************************************************************** # Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present. Each describes # the way multiple screens are organised. A specific ServerLayout # section may be specified from the X server command line with the # "-layout" option. In the absence of this, the first section is used. # When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section # is used alone. Section "ServerLayout" # The Identifier line must be present Identifier "Simple Layout" # Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally # the relative position of other screens. The four names after # primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right # of the primary screen. In this example, screen 2 is located to the # right of screen 1. Screen "Screen 1" # Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and # optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be # used. Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and # "SendCoreEvents". InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "DRI" Group "video" Mode 0666 EndSection ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-25 20:55 ` Piotr Pruszczak @ 2006-10-08 18:44 ` Sergio Polini 2006-10-08 18:47 ` Peter Davoust 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Sergio Polini @ 2006-10-08 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 Piotr Pruszczak: > NO DRM in kernel (but I have PCI-E) Radeon X 550 Mark Knecht: > Hi Sergio, > Hope this helps. Let me knowif you need or want anything else. > ... > Unknown device ID 5B60, please report. Assuming plain R300.300. I thank you for your help, but I've found another solution ;-) I have presented my daughter with my HP dv5000z, and so I've got rid of that irksome and ill-supported ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M. I'm going to purchase a new HP dv2000 (Turion X2, Geforce 6150). ;-) Thanks a lot! Sergio -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-10-08 18:44 ` Sergio Polini @ 2006-10-08 18:47 ` Peter Davoust 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Peter Davoust @ 2006-10-08 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 Great solution. I wish my parents did that more often. I also have an ati radeon xpress 200m. This is what I did to get it working: emerge ati-drivers aticonfig --initial /etc/X11/xorg.conf restart xorg. If that doesn't work, then I had to echo "x11-drivers/ati-drivers ~amd64" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords emerge ati-drivers You have to have DRM compiled as a module in the kernel. Sorry, I didn't read the rest of the post, so I don't know what you tried, but I hope that helps. -Peter On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 20:44 +0200, Sergio Polini wrote: > Piotr Pruszczak: > > NO DRM in kernel (but I have PCI-E) Radeon X 550 > > Mark Knecht: > > Hi Sergio, > > Hope this helps. Let me knowif you need or want anything else. > > ... > > Unknown device ID 5B60, please report. Assuming plain R300.300. > > I thank you for your help, but I've found another solution ;-) > I have presented my daughter with my HP dv5000z, and so I've got rid > of that irksome and ill-supported ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M. > I'm going to purchase a new HP dv2000 (Turion X2, Geforce 6150). > ;-) > > Thanks a lot! > Sergio -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini 2006-09-25 20:55 ` Piotr Pruszczak @ 2006-09-26 1:09 ` Mark Knecht 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mark Knecht @ 2006-09-26 1:09 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-amd64 On 9/25/06, Sergio Polini <sp_rm_it@yahoo.it> wrote: > Mark Knecht: > > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > > drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) > > Great! ;-) > > I've lost DRI when I've switched to modular X. > I see in Xorg.0.log: > > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) > drmOpenDevice: Open failed > ... > (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM > [dri] Disabling DRI. > > Please, could you tell me: > i) kernel version; > ii) the relevant settings in your kernel .config, for instance: > CONFIG_MTRR > CONFIG_AGP > CONFIG_AGP_AMD64 > CONFIG_AGP_INTEL > CONFIG_DRM > iii) mesa version; > iv) have you emerged x11-drm? > v) your "Device" section in xorg.conf; > vi) whatever info you think could help me ;-) > > Thanks > Sergio > Hi Sergio, Hope this helps. Let me knowif you need or want anything else. Cheers, Mark The kernel is from the proaudio overlay: lightning src # uname -a Linux lightning 2.6.17-rt5 #2 PREEMPT Mon Sep 11 10:54:03 PDT 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ GNU/Linux lightning src # lightning src # cat linux/.config | grep CONFIG_MTRR CONFIG_MTRR=y lightning src # CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set # CONFIG_AGP_SIS is not set # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set lightning src # lightning src # cat linux/.config | grep CONFIG_AMD64 lightning src # CONFIG_DRM=m # CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set # CONFIG_DRM_R128 is not set CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m # CONFIG_DRM_MGA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SIS is not set # CONFIG_DRM_VIA is not set # CONFIG_DRM_SAVAGE is not set lightning src # lightning src # eix drm * games-arcade/ddrmat Available versions: !0.12 Installed: none Homepage: http://www.icculus.org/pyddr/ Description: Kernel module for parallel port Playstation joystick (i.e. DDR mats) adapters * x11-base/x11-drm Available versions: !4.3.0-r7:2.6.14-hardened-r8 ~20050502:2.6.14-hardened-r8 ~20050807 ~20051028 ~20051223 20060608 Installed: none Homepage: http://dri.sf.net Description: DRM Kernel Modules for X11 * x11-libs/libdrm Available versions: 2.0.1 ~2.0.2 Installed: 2.0.1 Homepage: http://dri.freedesktop.org/ Description: X.Org libdrm library Found 3 matches. lightning src # lightning src # eix -I mesa * media-libs/mesa Available versions: 6.4.2-r2 ~6.5-r3 ~6.5-r4 ~6.5.1 ~6.5.1-r1 Installed: 6.4.2-r2 Homepage: http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net/ Description: OpenGL-like graphic library for Linux * x11-apps/mesa-progs Available versions: 6.4.2 ~6.5 ~6.5.1 Installed: 6.4.2 Homepage: http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net/ Description: Mesa's OpenGL utility and demo programs (like glxgears) Found 2 matches. lightning src # Section "Module" # This loads the DBE extension module. Load "dbe" # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection "extmod" Option "omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the font modules # Load "type1" # Load "speedo" Load "freetype" # Load "xtt" # This loads the GLX module Load "glx" # This loads the DRI module Load "dri" EndSection # Device configured by xorgconfig: Section "Device" Identifier "** ATI Radeon (generic) [radeon]" Driver "radeon" #VideoRam 65536 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection lightning src # glxgears Unknown device ID 5B60, please report. Assuming plain R300. *********************************WARN_ONCE********************************* File r300_state.c function r300Enable line 456 TODO - double side stencil ! *************************************************************************** No ctx->FragmentProgram._Current!! *********************************WARN_ONCE********************************* File r300_render.c function r300_get_num_verts line 188 user error: Need more than 2 vertices to draw primitive QS ! *************************************************************************** 6422 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1284.247 FPS 6420 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1283.953 FPS 6421 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1284.129 FPS 6415 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1282.975 FPS lightning src # -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2006-10-08 18:52 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 15+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2006-09-22 19:35 [gentoo-amd64] SOLVED: gcc 4.1 upgrade - bad desktop interactivity anyone? Mark Knecht 2006-09-22 23:42 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan 2006-09-23 0:08 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 8:28 ` Christoph Mende 2006-09-23 9:55 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:03 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 10:16 ` Greg Bur 2006-09-23 10:49 ` Peter Humphrey 2006-09-23 17:40 ` Mark Knecht 2006-09-23 21:00 ` Duncan 2006-09-25 20:25 ` Sergio Polini 2006-09-25 20:55 ` Piotr Pruszczak 2006-10-08 18:44 ` Sergio Polini 2006-10-08 18:47 ` Peter Davoust 2006-09-26 1:09 ` Mark Knecht
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