[gentoo-amd64] Dual Head

[gentoo-amd64] Dual Head

[Trevor Rhodes]

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Hello All,

I've only been on gentoo a few weeks and amd64 since sunday.  I did have
my dual head working on 32bit gentoo with a radeon graphics card, but
with the change to 64 I thought I'd change that too.  So now I have a
NX6200TC.  Can somebody help me get the dual head to work with this card
please?  I'm totally lost.

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: Dual Head

[Duncan]

Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> posted
44B5D4F0.30008@rhodes-online.net, excerpted below, on  Thu, 13 Jul 2006
15:06:56 +1000:

> I've only been on gentoo a few weeks and amd64 since sunday.  I did have
> my dual head working on 32bit gentoo with a radeon graphics card, but with
> the change to 64 I thought I'd change that too.  So now I have a NX6200TC.
>  Can somebody help me get the dual head to work with this card please? 
> I'm totally lost.

A quick google says NVidia proprietary hardware, meaning no supplied
specs, meaning you must either use NVidia slaveryware or the 2D only
freedomware drivers. That's why I've stuck with an ATI Radeon 9250 -- it
has freedomware OpenGL drivers and I couldn't legally do slaveryware if I
wanted to at least in places where a EULA is considered binding.  FWIW, I
have it running dual 21 inch monitors, currently in 1600x2400 (1600x1200
stacked), altho I've run it as high as 2048x3072 (2048x1536 stacked), and
could tell you all about configuring xorg for the radeon driver with that.

In any case, for NVidia with either the slaveryware or the freedomware
drivers, amd64 shouldn't make a lot of difference in terms of
configuration.  Read the documentation (xorg's and/or NVidia's, depending
on your drivers) and setup your xorg.conf accordingly.  There's sometimes
a bug with eselect opengl pointing at the 32-bit headers instead of the
64-bit ones, for compiling xorg-server or the like, but that's not
dual-head related.

If you need help beyond that, perhaps someone else is running dual-head
Nvidia's.



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Dual Head

[Mark Knecht]

On 7/13/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
 slaveryware
<SNIP>
 freedomware
<SNIP>

Must we use such charged language around here?

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Dual Head

[Mark Haney]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
> On 7/13/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> slaveryware
> <SNIP>
> freedomware
> <SNIP>
> 
> Must we use such charged language around here?
> 
> - Mark

You're /not/ serious are you?



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[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Dual Head

[Duncan]

"Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted
5bdc1c8b0607130650x3cf6fc75uda0f52077548b26a@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on  Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:50:48 -0700:

> On 7/13/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
>> [] slaveryware [] freedomware []
> 
> Must we use such charged language around here?

My choice of words is a reflection of who I am, how I define myself after
certain experiences, therefore, part of my terminology, therefore, part of
my posts. I believe the quote in my sig, and if one is subject to a
master, what does that make them, other than a slave?

Let me ask you this.  If you had been in a country where your freedom was
extremely limited and you had either spent time in prison for your beliefs
or knew  personally those that had, then had escaped/defected to a new
country and a new life of freedom, leaving your old life and many friends
and loved ones behind to start anew... knowing you could never legally go
back on pain of life imprisonment or worse, unless the regime changed and
with that came freedom...

If in your new country you appreciated your freedoms, your new life, yet
still having friends left behind in the old that you'd like to bring over
to share your joy and save them from the oppression...

That's EXACTLY how I feel about proprietaryware vs FLOSS.  It is to me
very literally /slaveryware/, an entirely different world, now rejected
and left behind for the new world of freedom software.  As with many
defectors, I had a decent life before, a full decade of familiarity with a
particular slaveryware platform, but it wasn't /free/. As with many
defectors, I left friends and loved ones behind that I'd like to see make
the move as well. As with many defectors, the old life is now lost to me,
a bad dream, before the change. I can only shudder looking back at it, a
great sacrifice, but so well worth it no words can describe!

I've had this discussion before.  Someone whose ancestors were apparently
enslaved took some offense.  He didn't understand what it meant to me, and
that I chose the words deliberately, /because/ they had the meaning they
did.  I asked him if he was willing to be imprisoned or even die for the
concept of free software if it came to that.  He wasn't, saying it's only
software.  I expect that's probably your take on things as well.  For me,
it's much more serious.  It really /is/ a struggle for freedom, and as
many fighting that struggle round the world, I've sacrificed and know I
may be called upon to sacrifice more. Would I die defending free software?
I'm not sure I can honestly say I would, at this point.  However, I *DO*
say that I believe I /should/ be willing to die for it.  After all, it
/is/ freedom we are talking here.

Thus it is with deliberate certainty I choose and use those words, doing
so in the knowledge that freedom does have a cost, asserting by my choice
of wording that I am willing to pay a cost, tho I cannot be certain if I'd
be willing to pay the ultimate cost.

OTOH, my choice of wording reflects my own journey.  I do not demand nor
expect others to be at the same point in their own, or even on the same
journey.  Slaveryware vs freedomware is what it is to /me/.  As with the
defector looking back at those he left behind, I realize they must make
and are making their own choices.

IOW, it's a personal thing.  I accept that it may not be slaveryware to
you, but to me it is, and I call it as I see it in posts I make, or I
don't make those posts.  You may of course do the same in your posts.  As
well, I've always believed in the absolute right to kill file, no reason
or notice need be given, tho it often is. Should my choice of words be
offensive enough to you, you may of course choose not to see them.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Dual Head

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Thursday 13 July 2006 08:50, "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Dual Head':
> On 7/13/06, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>  slaveryware
> <SNIP>
>  freedomware
> <SNIP>
>
> Must we use such charged language around here?

Duncan's had this discussion with a number of people, I'm sure.  I seem to 
remember this list (or another gentoo list) having a small sub-thread 
about it.  Actually, it got me thinking and, now, among company that 
understands the sentiment I use the same terminology along with 
smatterings of "too bad I can't use <that> in the free world".

I choose not to use it on the list or most other setting, because it rubs 
some people wrong, particularly the word "slaveryware" [1].  Generally, 
this is because people see it as making light of slavery.  I don't; EULAs 
and the vast majority of software licenses in use today *do* take away 
your rights and attempt to put you in shackles so you can't get away.  
It's unfortunate that people see this as acceptable, but then again there 
were hundreds of years of human history in which slavery was seen as 
acceptable.

Then again, I'm pretty far "out there" even among my friends.  Just as 
selling yourself into slavery was made illegal, I do see a time when Rule 
of Law will prevent one from giving/trading/selling away their software 
freedoms.  I do hope that there are some allowances made from the 
artistic/creative aspects of source code (and software in general).

In any case, Duncan's not going to change.  If you are offended I encourage 
you to take up the issue with Duncan off-list.  If that will/does not 
satisfy you, you will probably need to just killfile Duncan and hope "such 
charged language" doesn't get quoted too often.

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it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
-- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh

[1] "Freedomware" is usually less of an issue since it's really just a 
alternate shortening of "Free/Libre, Open-Source Software" 
normally "F/LOSS".  Personally I like "freedomware" because it helps 
emphasize what Stallman, GNU, and the FSF provide with their software: 
freedom.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Dual Head

[Kyle Liddell]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 03:06:56PM +1000, Trevor Rhodes wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I've only been on gentoo a few weeks and amd64 since sunday.  I did have
> my dual head working on 32bit gentoo with a radeon graphics card, but
> with the change to 64 I thought I'd change that too.  So now I have a
> NX6200TC.  Can somebody help me get the dual head to work with this card
> please?  I'm totally lost.
> 

Anyway, to actually answer your question:
I don't think you can get dual-head going with the "nv" driver provided with X.org.  As far as proprietary drivers go, nvidia seems to at least be doing it right, except for being a little slow on the releases.  The one that's currently out (8762) doesn't officialy support xorg-server-1.1.*.  It is usable, but some things don't work properly.  Everything works fine on older versions of xorg-server.

I would suggest giving the nvidia driver a try, although you'll have to fight with portage a bit to let you do it.  Once you do, you might make your xorg.conf file have some of these bits:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "My Video Card"
    Driver      "nvidia"
#    Driver	"nv"	

#all these options are probably broken with xorg-server-1.1.*
#NVIDIA	Option "RenderAccel" "1"
#NVIDIA	Option "CursorShadow" "1" #this one might be ok
#NVIDIA	Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"
#from here on should be ok
	#### TWINVIEW ####	
	Option "TwinView" "1"
	Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 1600x1200,NULL" #read the nvidia docs to make this do what you want
#	Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-70"  #this is how you specify your other monitor settings
#	Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "50-120" #KDS
#note that you can usually leave all the refresh rate info out and have X figure it out
	Option "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" #pick one
#	Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf"

Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen 1"
    Device      "My Video Card"
    Monitor     "My Monitor"
    DefaultDepth 24

    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
	Modes "1280x1024,1280x1024" "1280x1024," ",1280x1024"
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection
#end config bits

I can't say for certain that the nvidia driver will let you do dual head with xorg-server-1.1.*, but I assume it would.  I don't have the deskspace to setup dual-head stuff during the summer.  I'm hoping for the next version of the drivers to be released RealSoonNow, since nvidia had a new release of the Windows driver a few weeks ago.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Dual Head

[Piotr Pruszczak]

I have so fresh experience with SuSe 10.1 x86_64 (amd64)
with dual-head GF7600

What I have to say : it works. Works nice, even better then on Windose
& however I am NOT exactly sure, probably suse 10.1 has X.org inside

What should You do - in my opinion - please check, if under Windose it 
works as dual-screen ;) - I had to upgrade the GF7600 Bios before it worked

regards,
Piotr
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