From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NaAM5-0002Wc-6K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:02:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4350AE0B70 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE1BE0A02 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so3977646pxi.32 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:41:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JMmBqWDTT1zLez27ncAH/CZnLfv0vRPHrQucNUrea5w=; b=UucXJEKQEjYJPyl2qEtI5+iDWqHOd1OsZAmDmKx8cTq9MvjNSW17U1co9zggTxLMF3 t4S6XN3hFihaBj9UQ3iciFvGHuu3zmixnWnIlEQiuHWDWQrswvEdjZBXng7ix1qHT47W 8xf83f0wGSwtl4+xTttuardPmtT5N8pzcY/2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t6ddIyfT1uPNOk7w8Bf3CxC3qL85FFoOWoxc61IPzaMfegx4kb/uY4OL1PKMyXsTpu 3PMZOcLzx/yErLC227t39Qw++953nVT5aOvK6UCfR282mpBcgnVgVRNe1ceHk8ukcsmK K+z+IZyP7SsUr/Xcs0ebu/HgqbuOd0nft0hpU= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.23.13 with SMTP id a13mr6703754rvj.247.1264603301142; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:41:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b1001261611q5dc0f426ued2c1ab7e75e897b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b1001261155p400fd174nc90742c8fe2e5da3@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b1001261611q5dc0f426ued2c1ab7e75e897b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:41:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Virtualization/WinXP From: Beso To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1b71a8be30c047e2666da X-Archives-Salt: 88fa432e-4d58-4087-aca5-744cf96ecfe6 X-Archives-Hash: 6766344b5637a19249fa48917f3e3a16 --000e0cd1b71a8be30c047e2666da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2010/1/27 Mark Knecht > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Marko Obrovac > wrote: > > Hello Mark, > > > > 2010/1/26 Mark Knecht > >> > >> Hi, > >> OK - with the new machine up and running well enough to do some > >> work I really need to get some sort of virtualization going to see if > >> I can get around the fact that XP cannot be installed on this machine. > >> (at least not easily) I need to run TradeStation and I'd like to try > >> under Linux but Wine is ABSOLUTELY not an option. > >> > >> I ran XP & TS on my older system (5 year old 3GHz AMD64) but it's > >> been a long time since I tried it. The performance was just OK. I > >> expect this machine may be acceptable. > >> > >> To anyone familiar with this subject a few questions: > >> > >> 1) If I go the VMWare route is it vmware-workstation that I want? > > > > AFAIK, vmware-workstation is the not license-free, so you'll have to > invest > > some money in it. You might want to try vmware-player (if you want to go > the > > vmware way). It is free, but it comes with restrictions. The major > > disadvantage is - you can't create your own images, you can only "play" > > them. > > The last time I looked at this (maybe a year ago?) I decided that the > vmware-workstation would let a home user run something like two > instances without charges. Not free in that I'm limited to something > specific but no cost. (Is that free beer? It certainly doesn't sound > like Free Speech...) > > Being that my intention is to run TradeStation and hopefully make some > money I'm not if I qualify anymore. > > >> > >> 2) Are there any prebuilt XP images that would save me the hassle of > >> installing Win XP and just allow me to validate with my existing keys? > >> Is this the purpose of vmware-player? (which doesn't seem to have > >> fetch restrictions...) > > > > Many sites (like this one: > http://www.filestube.com/v/vmware+windows+image) > > offer you ready-to-go vmdk images. Google will help you find a lot of > sites > > like this one. > >> > >> 3) In some ways the most important question is what are the Open > >> Source alternatives and how easy are they to set up? > > > > There are (at least) three alternatives: VirtualBox ( > > http://www.virtualbox.org , http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/VirtualBox ), > kVM > > ( http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page , > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KVM ) and Qemu ( http://www.qemu.org/ > > , http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/QEmu ) > > In my opinion, VirtualBox is a very good (and open source) alternative to > > VMWare, and if all you need out of the virtualization software is to be > able > > to run TradeStation, I'd definitely go for this one. > > kVM and Qemu can be a bit confusing for a beginner (in virtualization), > and, > > although they can offer better performance than vbox, I don't think > they're > > worth the hassle for your specific needs. > > I guess virtualbox-box is non-GPL? I have to accept Sun's PUEL. Not a > big deal to me I suppose. It's a pretty simple document and I'm a > pretty simple guy. Good fit. > > there's a virtualbox version which is licensed under gplv2, but it doesn't have some guest additions that are included inside the bin package. anyway the bin package is free for personal use. i've read that license, and SUN does grant you the personal use of the software even for production environments, as long ad it is you that install it and use it, and as long as other users of the pc you're using are installing their own copy. if you still want to be totally free you could just emerge the non bin version. remember to also install the virtualbox-modules. -- dott. ing. beso --000e0cd1b71a8be30c047e2666da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/1/27 Mark Knecht <= markknecht@gmail.com>=
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Marko Obrovac <marko.obrovac@gmail.com> wrote:=
> Hello Mark,
>
> 2010/1/26 Mark Knecht <mark= knecht@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>> =C2=A0 OK - with the new machine up and running well enough to do = some
>> work I really need to get some sort of virtualization going to see= if
>> I can get around the fact that XP cannot be installed on this mach= ine.
>> (at least not easily) I need to run TradeStation and I'd like = to try
>> under Linux but Wine is ABSOLUTELY not an option.
>>
>> =C2=A0 I ran XP & TS on my older system (5 year old 3GHz AMD64= ) =C2=A0but it's
>> been a long time since I tried it. The performance was just OK. I<= br> >> expect this machine may be acceptable.
>>
>> =C2=A0 To anyone familiar with this subject a few questions:
>>
>> 1) If I go the VMWare route is it vmware-workstation that I want?<= br> >
> AFAIK, vmware-workstation is the not license-free, so you'll have = to invest
> some money in it. You might want to try vmware-player (if you want to = go the
> vmware way). It is free, but it comes with restrictions. The major
> disadvantage is - you can't create your own images, you can only &= quot;play"
> them.

The last time I looked at this (maybe a year ago?) I decided that the=
vmware-workstation would let a home user run something like two
instances without charges. Not free in that I'm limited to something specific but no cost. (Is that free beer? It certainly doesn't sound like Free Speech...)

Being that my intention is to run TradeStation and hopefully make some
money I'm not if I qualify anymore.

>>
>> 2) Are there any prebuilt XP images that would save me the hassle = of
>> installing Win XP and just allow me to validate with my existing k= eys?
>> Is this the purpose of vmware-player? (which doesn't seem to h= ave
>> fetch restrictions...)
>
> =C2=A0Many sites (like this one: http://www.filestube.com/v/vmware+= windows+image)
> offer you ready-to-go vmdk images. Google will help you find a lot of = sites
> like this one.
>>
>> 3) In some ways the most important question is what are the Open >> Source alternatives and how easy are they to set up?
>
> There are (at least) three alternatives: VirtualBox (
> http://www.vir= tualbox.org , http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/VirtualBox ), kVM
> ( http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page ,
> http:= //en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KVM ) and Qemu ( http://www.qemu.org/
> ,=C2=A0http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/QEmu )
> In my opinion, VirtualBox is a very good (and open source) alternative= to
> VMWare, and if all you need out of the virtualization software is to b= e able
> to run TradeStation, I'd definitely go for this one.
> kVM and Qemu can be a bit confusing for a beginner (in virtualization)= , and,
> although they can offer better performance than vbox, I don't thin= k they're
> worth the hassle for your specific needs.

I guess virtualbox-box is non-GPL? I have to accept Sun's PUEL. N= ot a
big deal to me I suppose. It's a pretty simple document and I'm a pretty simple guy. Good fit.


there's a vir= tualbox version which is licensed under gplv2, but it doesn't have some= guest additions that are included inside the bin package. anyway the bin p= ackage is free for personal use. i've read that license, and SUN does g= rant you the personal use of the software even for production environments,= as long ad it is you that install it and use it, and as long as other user= s of the pc you're using are installing their own copy. if you still wa= nt to be totally free you could just emerge the non bin version. remember t= o also install the virtualbox-modules.
=C2=A0
--
dott. ing. beso
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