From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L4Da7-0003JI-95 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:56:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EC15E04D1; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f21.google.com (mail-fx0-f21.google.com [209.85.220.21]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86D4E04D1 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14so62084fxm.10 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:56:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=44bAVKtD4+mj6A1I5UXzdumUh7Q64b/a1VO9QmPko2Y=; b=dsXuRfIh1q6ZtvO6iT8NKFCJVsPWr1dTbSxH08HUPxXzOyJwuaCdWxZ0J9QDVXo+WD 4yB4VrLekRNi0CxJef2CP70cbO7ERnkh2QxZazvQ07IqKoQN6Tjan0SfdtP8Sfa4hYfT 86fs1PFiHd1u+xo7iVHkJZDpDEdKEH5jgHFk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ETu1/n9rpSddHoV3PP8IW7z3mawwFM6CElrBKFdvBa8C8AyExkm42119dPIAYZX03r F6LXRPdjYRAUti2MLRWVBi2NckPsiI7lQeACi4PHWaI1YVAr37gKdR8h/tibbuAFJu5A h3S8Hr72a5zex13JBxuFNhtHUGo5OmN+heT7k= Received: by 10.181.10.7 with SMTP id n7mr747888bki.51.1227441396393; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.25.6 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:56:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:56:36 +0000 From: Beso To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: kde4, xorg, xf86-video-ati/radeon, and multi-panel display In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Archives-Salt: 227a0018-82c2-40a5-ba1e-74aede16188c X-Archives-Hash: f60ab79f905e3c5ab3ca80ce7288fd3e 2008/11/23 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>: > Beso posted > d257c3560811230303g48cd3972mab017762f95ee51@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:03:36 +0000: > >> non ability for binpkg of paludis > > I've wondered about that. binpkg is a seriously used feature here, even > with just a single machine (well two now, but the second isn't running > Gentoo yet), as it plays a big part in both my backup and troubleshooting > routines. I've long argued that FEATURES=buildpkg is one of the most > undersold great features of portage, particularly since at its core it's > a simple bzip2ed tarball with a bit of extra data tacked on the end, so > it's easily worked with using virtually any *ix based archiver tools you > might prefer for exploration and/or extraction, emergency or otherwise. > > But as I've always said, he who writes the code, calls the shots, and > those writing the paludis code obviously don't consider binpkgs that > important, so the feature has yet to be implemented. > > Of course that has nothing to do with why I won't let it touch my system, > despite my extremely high respect for the devs' technical abilities. I'm > trying my best to stay nice here... > well, i don't want to start up a flame, but with portage i had very often issues with having the deps discovered in the right way. of course when the system is up and running this isn't so much of a trouble, but when you set it up or when you do an upgrade that still has quite some deps discovered then the problem is to be seen. of course the hour it takes paludis to build a dual core with 4 compilation jobs is to be considered. portage only takes less than 30secs to upgrade. well, anyway, i always find good having at least 2 working package installers on my system so that i can see out bugs for one or the other. also not using the binpkg feature if one of then fails then the problem is quite big. -- dott. ing. beso