[gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use 
the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Fernando Boaglio]

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Are you sure?

These effects are disabled by default.

[]'s
Fernando Boaglio

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org> wrote:

> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?
>
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Fernando Boaglio wrote:
> Are you sure?
> 
> These effects are disabled by default.
> 

Completely sure, I am not allowed to enable them when I go to that 
option.  It says just below it 'Compositing is not available on your 
system.  The required X extensions (XComposite and XDamage) are not 
available.'



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/20 Fernando Boaglio <boaglio@gmail.com>

> Are you sure?
>
> These effects are disabled by default.
>
> []'s
> Fernando Boaglio
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>wrote:
>
>> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
>> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?
>>
>
they need to be enabled from the system settings under the desktop option.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Beso wrote:
> 2008/8/20 Fernando Boaglio <boaglio@gmail.com>

>>>
> they need to be enabled from the system settings under the desktop option.
> 


I know.  But I can't click that option.  It won't let me.  I only 
noticed this after I opened SuperKaramba to load my favorite system 
monitor and it warned me transparency wouldn't be enabled because 
desktop effects weren't on. So I went to enable them and the checkbox is 
greyed out.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>

> Beso wrote:
>
>> 2008/8/20 Fernando Boaglio <boaglio@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>>>>  they need to be enabled from the system settings under the desktop
>> option.
>>
>>
>
> I know.  But I can't click that option.  It won't let me.  I only noticed
> this after I opened SuperKaramba to load my favorite system monitor and it
> warned me transparency wouldn't be enabled because desktop effects weren't
> on. So I went to enable them and the checkbox is greyed out.
>

this is due either to the driver not supporting something or some of its
misconfigurations or to something missing (protos or libs in xorg-modular).
it would be useful to see your xorg.conf, know what driver you're using and
what board you're using, glxinfo output and what use confs you have on
xorg-server and on your libdrm and x11-drm and what versions of these
packages you're using.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Beso wrote:

> 
> this is due either to the driver not supporting something or some of its
> misconfigurations or to something missing (protos or libs in xorg-modular).
> it would be useful to see your xorg.conf, know what driver you're using and
> what board you're using, glxinfo output and what use confs you have on
> xorg-server and on your libdrm and x11-drm and what versions of these
> packages you're using.
> 

Ah, that might be the problem, I am using the opensource 'radeon' driver 
for my laptop.  I don't have drm enabled on this box because I never 
could get the ATI driver to work.  I bet that's the problem.

Does the radeon driver have DRM?  Last I read, it didn't.  Or not very well.



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>

> Beso wrote:
>
>
>> this is due either to the driver not supporting something or some of its
>> misconfigurations or to something missing (protos or libs in
>> xorg-modular).
>> it would be useful to see your xorg.conf, know what driver you're using
>> and
>> what board you're using, glxinfo output and what use confs you have on
>> xorg-server and on your libdrm and x11-drm and what versions of these
>> packages you're using.
>>
>>
> Ah, that might be the problem, I am using the opensource 'radeon' driver
> for my laptop.  I don't have drm enabled on this box because I never could
> get the ATI driver to work.  I bet that's the problem.
>
> Does the radeon driver have DRM?  Last I read, it didn't.  Or not very
> well.
>

well, the radeon driver for me works with compiz-fusion and kde4 (either
emerald or kwin-decorator-4) and is fantastic. also drm, exa and 2d video
playback is fantastic.
the only drawback is the following:
you'll need to use live ebuilds from the x11-overlay. i've been with them
for about  6 months now and i can tell you that everything works very well
(no instability or similar issues).
before starting to use them i'd advice you to tell me what board you have
and, since probably is equal to one of my 2 laptop boards (x200m rs480 or
x12xx, rs690) i can pass you all the configs to have everything working. a
full live xorg build (a partial one would cause you some instability issues)
that includes xorg-protos, xorg-libs, xorg-server, mesa, drivers would take
about 3-4 hours, but you might be forced to reinstall all kde4 after that
(this happens often after a new rebuild of xorg-git) and so you'll still
need around the old 3.5 installation. in fact i have compiz enabled by
default on that one and i start it manually on kde4 since sometime it has
some issues on startup with setting the kwindecorator4.
if you'll tell me that you'll be willing to use this method i'll prepare a
walkthrough of everything you'll need to install, in which order, what
overlays you'll need to use (you'll want desktop-effects for compiz-fusion)
and what options you'll want to enable and use on the board. to do
everything in a fine way you'll probably take about one day of work
(including xorg-modular rebuild and kde4 rebuild).
also i reccomend the setup of portage-tmpfs on /tmpfs so that the
compilation speed would drammatically increase.
let me know if you're interested. if you're not then you won't be able to
use any desktop effect (not on kde3.5 or on kde4) and since i find out some
compiz effects very PRODUCTIVE for business environments (i didn't
understood this until i've used compiz for about a week) it would be a shame
not to use it.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Beso wrote:

>>
> 
> well, the radeon driver for me works with compiz-fusion and kde4 (either
> emerald or kwin-decorator-4) and is fantastic. also drm, exa and 2d video
> playback is fantastic.
> the only drawback is the following:
> you'll need to use live ebuilds from the x11-overlay. i've been with them
> for about  6 months now and i can tell you that everything works very well
> (no instability or similar issues).
> before starting to use them i'd advice you to tell me what board you have
> and, since probably is equal to one of my 2 laptop boards (x200m rs480 or
> x12xx, rs690) i can pass you all the configs to have everything working. a
> full live xorg build (a partial one would cause you some instability issues)
> that includes xorg-protos, xorg-libs, xorg-server, mesa, drivers would take
> about 3-4 hours, but you might be forced to reinstall all kde4 after that
> (this happens often after a new rebuild of xorg-git) and so you'll still
> need around the old 3.5 installation. in fact i have compiz enabled by
> default on that one and i start it manually on kde4 since sometime it has
> some issues on startup with setting the kwindecorator4.
> if you'll tell me that you'll be willing to use this method i'll prepare a
> walkthrough of everything you'll need to install, in which order, what
> overlays you'll need to use (you'll want desktop-effects for compiz-fusion)
> and what options you'll want to enable and use on the board. to do
> everything in a fine way you'll probably take about one day of work
> (including xorg-modular rebuild and kde4 rebuild).
> also i reccomend the setup of portage-tmpfs on /tmpfs so that the
> compilation speed would drammatically increase.
> let me know if you're interested. if you're not then you won't be able to
> use any desktop effect (not on kde3.5 or on kde4) and since i find out some
> compiz effects very PRODUCTIVE for business environments (i didn't
> understood this until i've used compiz for about a week) it would be a shame
> not to use it.
> 

I am all for it.  Please enlighten me. My laptop has a Radeon XPress 
200M.  The box is a Compaq Presario R4000 and I"ve had it for about 3 
years now.  It's been the most rock solid laptop I've ever owned and it 
runs like a scalded dog on compiles.  I'm interested in getting all the 
info I can on getting this to work.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>

> Beso wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> well, the radeon driver for me works with compiz-fusion and kde4 (either
>> emerald or kwin-decorator-4) and is fantastic. also drm, exa and 2d video
>> playback is fantastic.
>> the only drawback is the following:
>> you'll need to use live ebuilds from the x11-overlay. i've been with them
>> for about  6 months now and i can tell you that everything works very well
>> (no instability or similar issues).
>> before starting to use them i'd advice you to tell me what board you have
>> and, since probably is equal to one of my 2 laptop boards (x200m rs480 or
>> x12xx, rs690) i can pass you all the configs to have everything working. a
>> full live xorg build (a partial one would cause you some instability
>> issues)
>> that includes xorg-protos, xorg-libs, xorg-server, mesa, drivers would
>> take
>> about 3-4 hours, but you might be forced to reinstall all kde4 after that
>> (this happens often after a new rebuild of xorg-git) and so you'll still
>> need around the old 3.5 installation. in fact i have compiz enabled by
>> default on that one and i start it manually on kde4 since sometime it has
>> some issues on startup with setting the kwindecorator4.
>> if you'll tell me that you'll be willing to use this method i'll prepare a
>> walkthrough of everything you'll need to install, in which order, what
>> overlays you'll need to use (you'll want desktop-effects for
>> compiz-fusion)
>> and what options you'll want to enable and use on the board. to do
>> everything in a fine way you'll probably take about one day of work
>> (including xorg-modular rebuild and kde4 rebuild).
>> also i reccomend the setup of portage-tmpfs on /tmpfs so that the
>> compilation speed would drammatically increase.
>> let me know if you're interested. if you're not then you won't be able to
>> use any desktop effect (not on kde3.5 or on kde4) and since i find out
>> some
>> compiz effects very PRODUCTIVE for business environments (i didn't
>> understood this until i've used compiz for about a week) it would be a
>> shame
>> not to use it.
>>
>>
> I am all for it.  Please enlighten me. My laptop has a Radeon XPress 200M.
>  The box is a Compaq Presario R4000 and I"ve had it for about 3 years now.
>  It's been the most rock solid laptop I've ever owned and it runs like a
> scalded dog on compiles.  I'm interested in getting all the info I can on
> getting this to work.
>

this is the almost the same of my old laptop. i'm now leaving home from
work, but if not this evening (after some hours) tomorrow in the morning
i'll prepare the list of stuff to do for your board and some interesting
sites that you can control for updates on radeon drivers.
it's some instants that phoronix has unveiled the following:

Catalyst 8.8 delivers CrossFire support on Linux, OverDrive overclocking
> support, adaptive anti-aliasing support, and other improvements.
>

here is the article from the rss feed:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_catalyst_evolution&num=1

maybe i'll also give it a try with the fglrx driver in the next days on
another system and see how these improvements work...

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Beso wrote:
> 2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>
> 

> here is the article from the rss feed:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_catalyst_evolution&num=1
> 
> maybe i'll also give it a try with the fglrx driver in the next days on
> another system and see how these improvements work...
> 

Beso, I never got time to thank you for the instructions and files 
yesterday, I was extremely busy.  However, I do want to take the time 
now to thank you for the effort you've put in on this.  I will be 
working on this during the weekend and I"ll let you know Monday how it goes.



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/22 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>

> Beso wrote:
>
>> 2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>
>>
>>
>  here is the article from the rss feed:
>>
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_catalyst_evolution&num=1
>>
>> maybe i'll also give it a try with the fglrx driver in the next days on
>> another system and see how these improvements work...
>>
>>
> Beso, I never got time to thank you for the instructions and files
> yesterday, I was extremely busy.  However, I do want to take the time now to
> thank you for the effort you've put in on this.  I will be working on this
> during the weekend and I"ll let you know Monday how it goes.
>

i'm now trying to fix out compiz kde4 decorator. it seems that i've been
able to fix the compilation error but the problem is that i don't know if
i've done the right stuff and used the right function (i don't know if
compiz devels had in mind what i've understood when reading their code).
i'll let you know if it seem to work fine or not after i finish compiling
compiz and try it out with kde4 window decorator.
as for the walkthrough i was thinking of writing a how to on the wiki some
of these days, but first i need to see if my corrections to compiz code were
correct and if i'd be able to have k3b build against the newer ffmpeg
versions. at a point there has been a version of it building against the new
dirs but now it seems that it is only able to build against the old one. i
still haven't found out where is the code that looks for ffmpeg includes.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/22 Beso <givemesugarr@gmail.com>

>
>
> 2008/8/22 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>
>
>> Beso wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>
>>>
>>>
>>  here is the article from the rss feed:
>>>
>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_catalyst_evolution&num=1
>>>
>>> maybe i'll also give it a try with the fglrx driver in the next days on
>>> another system and see how these improvements work...
>>>
>>>
>> Beso, I never got time to thank you for the instructions and files
>> yesterday, I was extremely busy.  However, I do want to take the time now to
>> thank you for the effort you've put in on this.  I will be working on this
>> during the weekend and I"ll let you know Monday how it goes.
>>
>
> i'm now trying to fix out compiz kde4 decorator. it seems that i've been
> able to fix the compilation error but the problem is that i don't know if
> i've done the right stuff and used the right function (i don't know if
> compiz devels had in mind what i've understood when reading their code).
> i'll let you know if it seem to work fine or not after i finish compiling
> compiz and try it out with kde4 window decorator.
> as for the walkthrough i was thinking of writing a how to on the wiki some
> of these days, but first i need to see if my corrections to compiz code were
> correct and if i'd be able to have k3b build against the newer ffmpeg
> versions. at a point there has been a version of it building against the new
> dirs but now it seems that it is only able to build against the old one. i
> still haven't found out where is the code that looks for ffmpeg includes.
>
>

well, the compiz patch seems to work fine here. i've posted a reply here
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5191556.html#5191556
on how to add the patch to the compiz ebuild in case it fails to build with
kde4-window-decorator.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

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2008/8/20 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>

> Beso wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> well, the radeon driver for me works with compiz-fusion and kde4 (either
>> emerald or kwin-decorator-4) and is fantastic. also drm, exa and 2d video
>> playback is fantastic.
>> the only drawback is the following:
>> you'll need to use live ebuilds from the x11-overlay. i've been with them
>> for about  6 months now and i can tell you that everything works very well
>> (no instability or similar issues).
>> before starting to use them i'd advice you to tell me what board you have
>> and, since probably is equal to one of my 2 laptop boards (x200m rs480 or
>> x12xx, rs690) i can pass you all the configs to have everything working. a
>> full live xorg build (a partial one would cause you some instability
>> issues)
>> that includes xorg-protos, xorg-libs, xorg-server, mesa, drivers would
>> take
>> about 3-4 hours, but you might be forced to reinstall all kde4 after that
>> (this happens often after a new rebuild of xorg-git) and so you'll still
>> need around the old 3.5 installation. in fact i have compiz enabled by
>> default on that one and i start it manually on kde4 since sometime it has
>> some issues on startup with setting the kwindecorator4.
>> if you'll tell me that you'll be willing to use this method i'll prepare a
>> walkthrough of everything you'll need to install, in which order, what
>> overlays you'll need to use (you'll want desktop-effects for
>> compiz-fusion)
>> and what options you'll want to enable and use on the board. to do
>> everything in a fine way you'll probably take about one day of work
>> (including xorg-modular rebuild and kde4 rebuild).
>> also i reccomend the setup of portage-tmpfs on /tmpfs so that the
>> compilation speed would drammatically increase.
>> let me know if you're interested. if you're not then you won't be able to
>> use any desktop effect (not on kde3.5 or on kde4) and since i find out
>> some
>> compiz effects very PRODUCTIVE for business environments (i didn't
>> understood this until i've used compiz for about a week) it would be a
>> shame
>> not to use it.
>>
>>
> I am all for it.  Please enlighten me. My laptop has a Radeon XPress 200M.
>  The box is a Compaq Presario R4000 and I"ve had it for about 3 years now.
>  It's been the most rock solid laptop I've ever owned and it runs like a
> scalded dog on compiles.  I'm interested in getting all the info I can on
> getting this to work.
>

first of all you'd add 3 overlays:

the first one will be your personal overlay (since you'll need some modified
ebuilds and you'd want to put them there instead of modifying them all the
time in their original overlay).
you'll add the following directory as root: mkdir -p
/var/portage/personal-overlay and then assign it to portage: chown
portage:portage /var/portage/ -R

now you'll install layman (if you already don't have it): emerge layman
then go and edit the file /etc/layman/layman.cfg by pointing the storage to
this directory:

#-----------------------------------------------------------
# Defines the directory where overlays should be installed

storage   : /var/portage/layman


then you'll do a layman -a desktop-effects to add the first overlay
and layman -a x11
if one of them would fail then you should fetch the list of repos with
layman -f and add it again. it should work at that time.
you also should sync these 2 overlays once a week with layman -s.

then you go and edit /etc/make.conf to add the new layman repos and the
personal overlay by adding the following lines:

source /var/portage/layman/make.conf
PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/var/portage/personal-overlay"

the next step is to configure the various options of layman repos by editing
/var/portage/layman/make.conf.

and assure that the directories in which you've fetched the overlays are
listed here.
you should have the 2 directories (/var/portage/layman/x11 and
/var/portage/layman/desktop-effects) listed here.

now you have to unmask the packages you want to install by adding the
keyword and then unmask them in portage.
for the desktop-effects overlay you don't have much trouble cause there's a
good documentation in the /var/portage/layman/desktop-effects/Documentation
directory. you already have keywords and unmasks set there as a set to
install compiz-fusion.

you take the x11.tar.gz in attachment and uncompress it in the x11 overlay.
you have some files there:
in the Documentation directory you have the keywords for the packages and
the unmask of the packages you want to install while in the sets directory
you have some sets for the various stuff you'll need to install (x11-protos
x11-libs x11-base). you copy the keyword and unmask files in the portage
conf dir and then you can go and prepare the ebuilds in your personal
overlay.
you take the x11-drivers.tar.gz and extract it in the personal overlay.

now, before compiling the new server you have to recompile your kernel. i
assume you use the 2.6.26 kernel (i haven't yet tested this in the r1
release).
you have to apply this patch
http://people.freedesktop.org/~keithp/gem_patches/0001-Export-shmem_file_setup-for-DRM-GEM.patch<http://people.freedesktop.org/%7Ekeithp/gem_patches/0001-Export-shmem_file_setup-for-DRM-GEM.patch>
on the kernel with patch -p1 < <location of saved patch file>/patch file
after you go to the /usr/src/linux directory.

use flags to use for xorg-server and mesa:

[ Colour Code : set unset ]
[ Legend : Left column  (U) - USE flags from make.conf              ]
[        : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ]
[ Found these USE variables for x11-base/xorg-server-9999 ]
 U I
 - - 3dfx                      : Enable support for Voodoo chipsets, also
called as 3DFX and TDFX
 - - debug                     : Enable extra debug codepaths, like asserts
and extra output. If you want to get meaningful backtraces see
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml

 - - dmx                       : Build the Distributed Multiheaded X
server

 + + dri                       : Enable direct rendering: used for
accelerated 3D and some 2D, like
DMA
 + + hal                       : Enable Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL)
support

 - - input_devices_acecad      :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_aiptek      :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_calcomp     :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_citron      :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_digitaledge :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_dmc         :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_dynapro     :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_elo2300     :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_elographics :
<unknown>

 + + input_devices_evdev       :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_fpit        :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_hyperpen    :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_jamstudio   :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_joystick    :
<unknown>

 + + input_devices_keyboard    :
<unknown>

 - - input_devices_magellan    : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_microtouch  : <unknown>
 + + input_devices_mouse       : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_mutouch     : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_palmax      : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_penmount    : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_spaceorb    : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_summa       : <unknown>
 + + input_devices_synaptics   : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_tek4957     : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_ur98        : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_vmmouse     : <unknown>
 + - input_devices_void        : <unknown>
 - - input_devices_wacom       : <unknown>
 + + ipv6                      : Adds support for IP version 6
 - - kdrive                    : Build the kdrive X servers
 - - minimal                   : Install a very minimal build (disables, for
example, plugins, fonts, most drivers, non-critical features)
 - - nptl                      : Enable support for Native POSIX Threads
Library, the new threading module (requires linux-2.6 or better usually)
 - + sdl                       : Adds support for Simple Direct Layer (media
library)
 - - video_cards_fbdev         : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_i810          : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_mach64        : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_mga           : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_nv            : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_r128          : <unknown>
 + + video_cards_radeon        : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_rendition     : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_savage        : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_tdfx          : <unknown>
 + - video_cards_vesa          : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_vmware        : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_xgi           : <unknown>
 + + xorg                      : Build the Xorg X server (HIGHLY
RECOMMENDED)


[ Colour Code : set unset ]
[ Legend : Left column  (U) - USE flags from make.conf              ]

[        : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ]
[ Found these USE variables for media-libs/mesa-9999 ]
 U I
 - - debug               : Enable extra debug codepaths, like asserts and
extra output. If you want to get meaningful backtraces see
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml
 - - doc                 : Adds extra documentation (API, Javadoc, etc)
 - - kernel_FreeBSD      : <unknown>
 + + motif               : Adds support for the Motif toolkit
 - - nptl                : Enable support for Native POSIX Threads Library,
the new threading module (requires linux-2.6 or better usually)
 - - pic                 : Build Position Independent Code.  Do not utilize
this flag unless you know what you're doing
 - - video_cards_i810    : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_mach64  : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_mga     : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_none    : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_r128    : <unknown>
 + + video_cards_radeon  : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_s3virge : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_savage  : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_sis     : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_sunffb  : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_tdfx    : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_trident : <unknown>
 - - video_cards_via     : <unknown>
 + + xcb                 : Support the X C-language Binding, a replacement
for Xlib

after that you might start compiling the x11 live packages by starting with
the x11-protos, then going with x11-libs and then x11-base. you might need
to keyword or unmask some other packages around and just do that if
something needs them. you might also have some fails on some ebuilds. the
following ebuilds are known to fail:
libXaw might fail; cairo and glitz probably fail due to some autoconf issues
(i don't know why but in the past they used to work then started not working
anymore), libxcb will surely fail and you might need to remove the installed
one before installing the new one. this approach works fine with all the
packages that fail for the missing libxcb-xlib.la file in the new libxcb.
after you've finished installing the xorg-server then you need to install
the drivers (you're almost there). first install the following:
xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-input-evdev xf86-video-ati (if the
new xorg-server hasn't yet pushed them in). now the synaptics driver doesn't
build anymore and i'm still struggling with it. for the moment you'll need
to use the xf86-input-synaptics driver, instead (the one in the personal
overlay).

the last attachment is the xorg.conf for use with xf86-video-ati driver.

sorry for the delay but it took me some time to write down everything.

for the compile into ram stuff i'll post the next time or you could follow
the instruction from gentoo wiki. the basis is that you'll point the
/var/tmp/portage folder to /tmp. i personally do this in /etc/local where i
create a folder in /tmp, i assign it the tmpfs permissions (chmod 1777) then
i mount in bind this folder to /var/tmp/portage.
the problem is that when mounting /tmp in fstab you'll need some tweaks on
the tmp dimension and you'll need to look out into your ram space and swap
space to see how to set this.

-- 
dott. ing. beso

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Section "Files"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
  Option	"AllowMouseOpenFail" "off"
  Option	"IgnoreABI" "on"
  Option	"AIGLX" "on"
EndSection

Section "Module"
  Load	       "drm"
  Load         "dbe"
  Load         "type1"
  Load         "freetype"
  Load         "extmod"
  Load         "glx"
  Load         "dri"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver       "evdev"
  Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
  Option	"Name" "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
  Option       "Protocol" "Standard"
  Option       "XkbLayout" "it"
  Option       "XkbModel" "pc102"
  Option       "XkbRules" "xorg"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier   "Mouse[1]"
        Driver      "evdev"
        Option      "evBits"        "+1-2"
        Option      "keyBits"       "~272-287"
        Option      "relBits"       "~0-2 ~6 ~8"
        Option      "Pass"          "3"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver       "synaptics"
  Identifier   "Mouse[3]"
  Option       "AccelFactor" "0.1"
  Option       "BottomEdge" "650"
  Option       "Buttons" "5"
  Option       "CircScrollDelta" "0.1"
  Option       "CircScrollTrigger" "2"
  Option       "CircularScrolling" "1"
  Option       "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
  Option       "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "15"
  Option       "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "15"
  Option       "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
  Option       "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75"
  Option       "FingerHigh" "15"
  Option       "FingerLow" "14"
  Option       "HorizScrollDelta" "20"
  Option       "InputFashion" "Mouse"
  Option       "LeftEdge" "120"
  Option       "MaxSpeed" "3"
  Option       "MaxTapMove" "110"
  Option       "MaxTapTime" "180"
  Option       "MinSpeed" "0.2"
  Option       "Name" "ALPS;Touchpad"
  Option       "Protocol" "auto-dev"
  Option       "RightEdge" "830"
  Option       "SHMConfig" "on"
  Option       "TopEdge" "120"
  Option       "UpDownScrolling" "1"
  Option       "Vendor" "Sysp"
  Option       "VertScrollDelta" "20"
  Option       "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection


Section "Monitor"
  Identifier   "Monitor[0]"
  Option       "DPMS" "true"
  UseModes     "Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
  DefaultDepth 24
  SubSection "Display"
    Depth      15
    Modes      "1280x800" "1280x768" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480" "1440x900"
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
    Depth      16
    Modes      "1280x800" "1280x768" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480" "1440x900"
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
    Depth      24
    Modes      "1280x800" "1280x768" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480" "1440x900"
  EndSubSection
  SubSection "Display"
    Depth      8
    Modes      "1280x800" "1280x768" "1024x768" "1280x600" "1024x600" "800x600" "768x576" "640x480" "1440x900"
  EndSubSection
  Device       "Device[0]"
  Identifier   "Screen[0]"
  Monitor      "Monitor[0]"
EndSection


Section "Device"
  BoardName	"Radeon XPRESS 200M 5975 (PCIE)"
  BusID		"1:5:0"
  Driver	"radeon"
  Identifier	"Device[0]"
  VendorName	"Fujitsu-Siemens Computers"
  Option	"AccelDFS" "true"
#  Option	"AccelMethod" "XAA"
  Option	"AccelMethod" "EXA"
#  Option        "BackingStore" "true"
#  Option	"ColorTiling"   "on"
  Option	"DynamicClocks" "on"
  Option	"DRI" "true"
  Option	"EnableDepthMoves" "yes"
#  Option	"EnablePageFlip" "true"
  Option	"mtrr" "on"
  Option	"no_accel" "no"
  Option	"RenderAccel" "true"
#  Option	"SubPixelOrder" "none"
#  Option	"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "True"
#  Option	"TVOutput" "PAL"
#  Option 	"ForceTVOut" "true"
#  Option 	"TVStandard" "pal"
EndSection


Section "ServerLayout"
  Identifier   "Layout[all]"
  InputDevice  "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
  InputDevice  "Mouse[1]" "CorePointer"
  InputDevice  "Mouse[3]" "SendCoreEvents"
  Option       "Clone" "off"
  Option       "Xinerama" "off"
  Option       "OffTime" "5"
  Screen       "Screen[0]"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
    Group      "video"
    Mode       0660
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
  Option	"DAMAGE" "true"
  Option	"RENDER" "true"
  Option	"Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch, 20. August 2008, Mark Haney wrote:
> Beso wrote:
> > this is due either to the driver not supporting something or some of its
> > misconfigurations or to something missing (protos or libs in
> > xorg-modular). it would be useful to see your xorg.conf, know what driver
> > you're using and what board you're using, glxinfo output and what use
> > confs you have on xorg-server and on your libdrm and x11-drm and what
> > versions of these packages you're using.
>
> Ah, that might be the problem, I am using the opensource 'radeon' driver
> for my laptop.  I don't have drm enabled on this box because I never
> could get the ATI driver to work.  I bet that's the problem.
>
> Does the radeon driver have DRM?  Last I read, it didn't.  Or not very
> well.

yes it has. In fact forever. But not all radeons have dri enabled yet. The 
R600,R700 series have not dri yet.

You need to check several things:
opengl useflag set?
xcomposite enabled?
turn on drm/dri
xorg.conf setup correctly
are all libs that are needed installed. Like  x11-libs/libXcomposite, x11-
proto/compositeproto

Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Marc Redmann]

On Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:20:53 Mark Haney wrote:
> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?

There is a USE-Flag which is called "xcomposite". I think you should switch 
that on.

excelsior ~ # equery hasuse xcomposite
[ Searching for USE flag xcomposite in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [  ] kde-base/krunner-9999 (kde-svn)
[I--] [  ] kde-base/kwin-9999 (kde-svn)
[I--] [  ] kde-base/libtaskmanager-9999 (kde-svn)
[I--] [  ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-9999 (kde-svn)

brgds, Marc

Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

2008/9/3 Marc Redmann <mr_spuck_2001@yahoo.de>:
> On Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:20:53 Mark Haney wrote:
>> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
>> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?
>
> There is a USE-Flag which is called "xcomposite". I think you should switch
> that on.
>
> excelsior ~ # equery hasuse xcomposite
> [ Searching for USE flag xcomposite in all categories among: ]
>  * installed packages
> [I--] [  ] kde-base/krunner-9999 (kde-svn)
> [I--] [  ] kde-base/kwin-9999 (kde-svn)
> [I--] [  ] kde-base/libtaskmanager-9999 (kde-svn)
> [I--] [  ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-9999 (kde-svn)
>
> brgds, Marc
>
>
>
>


you need the right driver, you need your driver to support them and
then use opengl as a general flag. you then use the system-settings
desktop to enable them. telling us what driver you're using could help
out. also, some time ago on this list there was a very similar
question about this. you can browse the archive and look for it.

-- 
dott. ing. beso

Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Mark Haney]

Beso wrote:
> 2008/9/3 Marc Redmann <mr_spuck_2001@yahoo.de>:
>> On Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:20:53 Mark Haney wrote:
>>> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
>>> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable that?
>> There is a USE-Flag which is called "xcomposite". I think you should switch
>> that on.
>>

> you need the right driver, you need your driver to support them and
> then use opengl as a general flag. you then use the system-settings
> desktop to enable them. telling us what driver you're using could help
> out. also, some time ago on this list there was a very similar
> question about this. you can browse the archive and look for it.
> 


I am aware of that, I posted (yesterday) a question regarding the 
instructions posted (to me mostly) regarding getting desktop effects 
working with the radeon driver.  That's where I"m stuck.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE4 desktop effects

[Beso]

2008/9/3 Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>:
> Beso wrote:
>>
>> 2008/9/3 Marc Redmann <mr_spuck_2001@yahoo.de>:
>>>
>>> On Mittwoch 20 August 2008 16:20:53 Mark Haney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed a USE flag when upgrading to KDE4 because I can't use
>>>> the desktop effects.  Can someone tell me what flags I need to enable
>>>> that?
>>>
>>> There is a USE-Flag which is called "xcomposite". I think you should
>>> switch
>>> that on.
>>>
>
>> you need the right driver, you need your driver to support them and
>> then use opengl as a general flag. you then use the system-settings
>> desktop to enable them. telling us what driver you're using could help
>> out. also, some time ago on this list there was a very similar
>> question about this. you can browse the archive and look for it.
>>
>
>
> I am aware of that, I posted (yesterday) a question regarding the
> instructions posted (to me mostly) regarding getting desktop effects working
> with the radeon driver.  That's where I"m stuck.
>

sorry i haven't got that mail. i'll go looking for it in the archive
and see what's your problem. i'll then try to answer out in the best
way.

-- 
dott. ing. beso