From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2TEp-0002td-Vf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:43:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F5B2E04BC; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB24E04BC for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 15:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so267168pyg.25 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zDIbQLE3YbiPvaTTlbMs6IlyHJ1ylGWYHX6ILNRXuX4=; b=Li1AEUkguyNOmUTCqPCAFpPEJM43K/azvEMCtlTd77Qfv6Ox33DN7GduoH+kAUFWp94AZqmYpW3pW7Z1V51FYOuK8kWSk9zL0zGtu7zdy8T7YPejwkoebRVVNj6fq5cIWzqUt4WcJ1+Wm102QzDkSUYn0iFlSNAEQh6Jn8a79Pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oNz9IYK+gPzAuwQuqX2wNn1QjsIkNcsTxfmiD+sCG33nmxzLhd2A3Xv0cioD5HupWHMYBtJi478SCZ4IWV51LMCMBnvb/97A6yyQlZdLM0il//RDFAkVEl3O7CIsZksk2MSTvEMDKaZ8OfDr9hNXkF5gccVRm1YMSZnCpLwnlIU= Received: by 10.114.12.10 with SMTP id 10mr5631452wal.190.1212248601308; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.88.8 with HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:43:21 +0000 From: Beso To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.0.4 upgrade, sort of. In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29794_23483248.1212248601302" References: <483D3324.3030709@ercbroadband.org> <483FF27B.6070701@ercbroadband.org> <483FFDDF.6030508@ercbroadband.org> X-Archives-Salt: d777a6b3-87ec-4ca8-ada6-0b6497468fc0 X-Archives-Hash: a5657049e1acc2f7b54251ae31a56263 ------=_Part_29794_23483248.1212248601302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2008/5/31 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>: > Beso posted > d257c3560805301217q5af4d9c3rc3ea014a012fe04f@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on Fri, 30 May 2008 19:17:59 +0000: > > > 2008/5/30 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>: > > In any case, 4.1 appears to have fixed at least some of the 4.0 blockers, > including the big one here, the lack of multipanel support and > configuration, so unless there's something really stupid like that > missing proxy support (tho it looks like it'll work for me after all), > there's at least a decent chance I'll find it at least minimally usable, > now, enough to remerge it and start the task of customizing it to my > needs and switching my habits to the 4.x methodology, even if I have to > keep parts of KDE3 around for awhile. That's what I had intended to do > with 4.0, but it was just too *broken*, too many now vital but missing in > 4.0 features, to make it work, even for this normally out-in-front > bleeding edge guy who /loves/ many betas. That's why I say 4.0 was only > early tech-preview alpha, not even beta, because betas normally have the > features all there or at least blocked out even if buggy, and 4.0... > didn't! So 4.1's the first real beta, if it even reaches that. It might > still be more a late tech preview alpha. Time will tell. > or you could just use the kde4 apps in kde3.5. flameeyes has posted a dirty hack on his blog on how to use kde4 apps from 3.5 environment natively (ie calling them directly from command line without the full path). you'll just need the kdebase-meta package and then you could test them out. just one warning: after installing solid hal would stop mounting stuff on request an= d you'd need to work the mounting through dolphin. the device manager handles the dolphin calls directly in plasma environment. the thing that is interesting is the ability in plasma to create new workspaces. i think that the zoom out feature of plasma desktop is meant for that and it should work out similar to the leopard workspaces. also the widget expos=E8 i think wou= ld work as the osx one, since there's an option to put the widget on a layer external to the desktop. the thing is that after getting out of the layer the widget would stay on the visible desktop. the problems still there are with phonon which doesn't implements enough features yet to be able to port kaffeine and amarok only through phonon, so these packages devs are still doing some extra job on that. still, the desktop has now come to be quite usable. --=20 dott. ing. beso ------=_Part_29794_23483248.1212248601302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2008/5/31 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@c= ox.net>:
Beso <givemesugarr@gmail.com> posted
d257c3560805301217q5af4d9c3rc3ea014a012fe04f@mail.gmail.com, excerp= ted
below, on  Fri, 30 May 2008 19:17:59 +0000:

> 2008/5/30 Duncan <1i5t5.dun= can@cox.net>:

In any case, 4.1 appears to have fixed at least some of the 4.0 blocker= s,
including the big one here, the lack of multipanel support and
configuration, so unless there's something really stupid like that
missing proxy support (tho it looks like it'll work for me after all),<= br> there's at least a decent chance I'll find it at least minimally us= able,
now, enough to remerge it and start the task of customizing it to my
needs and switching my habits to the 4.x methodology, even if I have to
keep parts of KDE3 around for awhile.  That's what I had intended = to do
with 4.0, but it was just too *broken*, too many now vital but missing in 4.0 features, to make it work, even for this normally out-in-front
bleeding edge guy who /loves/ many betas.  That's why I say 4.0 wa= s only
early tech-preview alpha, not even beta, because betas normally have the features all there or at least blocked out even if buggy, and 4.0...
didn't!  So 4.1's the first real beta, if it even reaches that= .  It might
still be more a late tech preview alpha.  Time will tell.

or you could just use the= kde4 apps in kde3.5. flameeyes has posted a dirty hack on his blog on how = to use kde4 apps from 3.5 environment natively (ie calling them directly fr= om command line without the full path). you'll just need the kdebase-me= ta package and then you could test them out. just one warning: after instal= ling solid hal would stop mounting stuff on request and you'd need to w= ork the mounting through dolphin. the device manager handles the dolphin ca= lls directly in plasma environment. the thing that is interesting is the ab= ility in plasma to create new workspaces. i think that the zoom out feature= of plasma desktop is meant for that and it should work out similar to the = leopard workspaces. also the widget expos=E8 i think would work as the osx = one, since there's an option to put the widget on a layer external to t= he desktop. the thing is that after getting out of the layer the widget wou= ld stay on the visible desktop. the problems still there are with phonon wh= ich doesn't implements enough features yet to be able to port kaffeine = and amarok only through phonon, so these packages devs are still doing some= extra job on that. still, the desktop has now come to be quite usable.


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