From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IrCou-0007ZL-3W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:25:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.2/8.14.0) with SMTP id lABDNuOg018593; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:23:56 GMT Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.2/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lABDNump018588 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:23:56 GMT Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 19so2028852fkr for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:23:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=MfxJA2rPGTT75NtwcDy6X5ix3arqtArR4kpZ1UiMpXI=; b=LWRIbVzdpLKZmGpf16qDSqeXAnFWNawAD50+cQ6yKKSsHWzPkLMhJf1KCDWBuRCorHRSPnuo6qIASwBW0vgDUBlZA/uv2KlDHP40OvtqxB3SpfWc88cQZUPfPuAgL7R56+yfQnYvO96qc0l1h5sBVudWoiMBrOS9TWOEjWmiz48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m5B3jAlnVAOsRwvPUeX+0A9DycK/pJWshFwjVwB5G9MsPh+48sPsG2DH0unInWmQC7t7CBmrzb/pMf9cKfJ2x2Vjrp04YWDEVPzM+a6ZvfB2F8ywAJADCvnGIOYQz9CeC7NYgCl74AZ5E7OrqkcCya0WG5EvOJyWznSlxG8CZ9s= Received: by 10.82.107.15 with SMTP id f15mr9014465buc.1194787435186; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.141.15 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:23:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:23:50 +0100 From: Beso To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Planning a new box - AMD Opteron or Intel Xeon? In-Reply-To: <20071111053814.06ce20f3@mandalor.homelinux.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1885_27466356.1194787430183" References: <20071110081152.4065e4db@mandalor.homelinux.net> <20071110095206.7a73544e@mandalor.homelinux.net> <20071111053814.06ce20f3@mandalor.homelinux.net> X-Archives-Salt: 7e16a728-e5bf-4585-b4fb-5a678fadcc50 X-Archives-Hash: e2c4567a1c448af83b6376f78b1bef8a ------=_Part_1885_27466356.1194787430183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > Well, I've been looking at the new Barcelona Opteron 2300 series, > which have 4 cores each & can be used in dual socket motherboards, for > a total of 8 cores in the system. The 2 or 4 cores in an Athlon X2 > system really would be sufficient for my needs, but then my current box > is still pretty much sufficient for my needs. This new box I'm > planning is more about my wants, and I look at 8 cores & think "I want!" > > About registered vs. unbuffered memory, my understanding is that for > systems w/ lots of memory (more than 4 GiB), the registers are a Good > Thing(tm). I don't really understand the electrical engineering behind > how memory & memory controllers work, so I don't claim to really grok > why registered memory is so important in systems w/ lots of RAM, but > since I'm planning on loading it with 8 or 16 GiB, I was planning on > going with registered anyway. in this case opterons are better... > > Interesting, most of what I've heard about Tyan has been really good. > Is there something specific about Tyan that's been a problem for you? > I've also heard good things about Gigabyte, but Tyan really seemed to > stand out as excellent. The two dual-socket F Gigabyte boards on > NewEgg are cheaper than the Tyans I've been considering, but > unfortunately they don't support the new Barcelona Opterons, and I'd > have to wait for new versions to be released. But then the Tyan > motherboard I liked best is in the same situation, w/ a new > Barcelona-compatible version expected later this month. I'll keep the > Gigabytes in mind. i've had some problems with a tyan mobo which has died in less than 1 week= . i've changed it and the second died in 3 days and after the second has died i had returned the mobo and requested the money back and then went with a gigabyte. thus, this wasn't in a high-level system, but on a middle one. so i don't have any experience with high level systems. > I am thinking I'll probably go w/ an ATI video card, since I'm fairly > excited about the driver talk that's been going around. Although one > thing I happened to find during my research for this box, nVidia is > significantly more energy efficient. > not true, for what i know. the new nvidias consume more power than radeons. also, if you buy a gigabyte one which is totally passive its energy consumption is very low. then ati has the powerplay wihch also works with the fglrx, for what i know. if you need more info on the powerplay see how it works on the amd's site. RAM I mentioned above. Hard disk space was actually the main thing > that's prompting this new box, as I'm filling up all my current disks. > I eventually plan on filling the case w/ as many hard disks as it can > fit, probably at least 10+. This box is going to be my home fileserver > for a long time to come. But for starters I'm thinking I'll get 3x > 1TiB in RAID5, and then grow the RAID as it fills up & drive prices > drop. This will be my first time setting up RAID, I'm planning on > following the HOWTO_Setup_fully_crypted_Gentoo_on_EVMS in the > gentoo-wiki. > > It is going to be quite expensive, but I'm sure my family & friends > won't mind me getting myself a Christmas present instead of them (j/k - > I've been saving for a while, and I can afford it along w/ holiday > gifts). lucky you.... a similar system should go on around 4000-5000=80.... ps. what would be its use?!?! --=20 dott. ing. beso ------=_Part_1885_27466356.1194787430183 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Well= , I've been looking at the new Barcelona Opteron 2300 series,
which = have 4 cores each & can be used in dual socket motherboards, for
a total of 8 cores in the system.  The 2 or 4 cores in an Ath= lon X2
system really would be sufficient for my needs, but then my curre= nt box
is still pretty much sufficient for my needs.  This new= box I'm
planning is more about my wants, and I look at 8 cores & think "I = want!"

About registered vs. unbuffered memory, my understanding= is that for
systems w/ lots of memory (more than 4 GiB), the registers = are a Good
Thing(tm). I don't really understand the electrical engineering beh= ind
how memory & memory controllers work, so I don't claim to re= ally grok
why registered memory is so important in systems w/ lots of RA= M, but
since I'm planning on loading it with 8 or 16 GiB, I was planning o= n
going with registered anyway.

in this case optero= ns are better...

Interesting, most of what I've heard about Tyan has been really goo= d.
Is there something specific about Tyan that's been a problem for = you?
I've also heard good things about Gigabyte, but Tyan really see= med to
stand out as excellent.  The two dual-socket F Gigabyte board= s on
NewEgg are cheaper than the Tyans I've been considering, butunfortunately they don't support the new Barcelona Opterons, and I'= ;d
have to wait for new versions to be released.  But then the Tyan<= br>motherboard I liked best is in the same situation, w/ a new
Barcelona= -compatible version expected later this month.  I'll keep the=
Gigabytes in mind.

i've had some problems with a tyan mobo  whi= ch has died in less than 1 week. i've changed it and the second died in= 3 days and after the second has died i had returned the mobo and requested= the money back and then went with a gigabyte. thus, this wasn't in a h= igh-level system, but on a middle one. so i don't have any experience w= ith high level systems.=20

I am thinking I'll probably go w/ an ATI video card, since I'm fai= rly
excited about the driver talk that's been going around.  = Although one
thing I happened to find during my research for this box, n= Vidia is
significantly more energy efficient.
< http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000662.html>
<= div>
not true, for what i know. the new nvidias consume more power than = radeons. also, if you buy a gigabyte one which is totally passive its energ= y consumption is very low. then ati has the powerplay wihch also works with= the fglrx, for what i know. if you need more info on the powerplay see how= it works on the amd's site.

RAM= I mentioned above.  Hard disk space was actually the main thing<= br>that's prompting this new box, as I'm filling up all my current = disks.
I eventually plan on filling the case w/ as many hard disks as it canfit, probably at least 10+.  This box is going to be my home fi= leserver
for a long time to come.  But for starters I'm th= inking I'll get 3x
1TiB in RAID5, and then grow the RAID as it fills up & drive prices=
drop.  This will be my first time setting up RAID, I'm pl= anning on
following the HOWTO_Setup_fully_crypted_Gentoo_on_EVMS in the<= br>gentoo-wiki.

It is going to be quite expensive, but I'm sure my family &= friends
won't mind me getting myself a Christmas present instead of= them (j/k -
I've been saving for a while, and I can afford it along= w/ holiday
gifts).

lucky you.... a similar system should go o= n around 4000-5000=80....

ps. what would be its use?!?!

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