From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A200138247 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BDD9E0A52; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B005E0A43 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id kq14so3732243pab.35 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fKQyHO2L1x13sv0oY6JvM1JsSafxJEg3Plk8o/SVgGE=; b=p9md1UQFVB8YWOgbo2xARN7BDZvdumDeKZpKk2wWXYIu42OmygMTT35ICirP07LtUl xgGCYiVLQHY5H/TJLG8B5aENnayq72w9vUT5rGC1zIZLsPpO/vbPxe7TYuXjs/8L26ch eAnawmIUBwZ1nB9xku/2S3jf142aXgSEeWG4tDRyn3+/GYz4Y264RUqI2yEH7MR5AJ16 7KrxLZRkBjlDUVoh5XEGrzvOIkOm6tRB6YQJF+xRMn4stOeit11m1QvRe43HX1n2jWLO 6w692wkDzvQ4Ixiyi2P7orn0Yl/pNm1AffqqQdHBKhDsJmjaAp6v/H/mH1mErrio6qTA a7Ig== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.69.18.171 with SMTP id gn11mr22612023pbd.63.1384037846218; Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.36.74 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:57:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131109221148.GA26666@crud> References: <20131108222553.33af27243ad5aa2411c3f0ff@comcast.net> <20131109114529.f29b71e10f00f6a8b170d0e8@comcast.net> <20131109204021.GA28493@crud> <20131109163813.e0b90b87aefd17c03054af8c@comcast.net> <20131109221148.GA26666@crud> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 14:57:26 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: USB Scanner Problems with Newer Kernels/Libusb From: Mark Knecht To: Gentoo AMD64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: e3ec6fdb-33a8-439c-bfe8-40fd50b8088f X-Archives-Hash: a8cfb8e00f4b4566d437e3e3262d5111 Hi, On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Barry Schwartz wrote: > Frank Peters skribis: >> IMHO, those folks at freedesktop.org are going to destroy the simplicity, >> beauty, and diverse utility of Linux. > > Yes. Particularly distressing because they are completely neglecting > GNUstep, which is an existing _thoughtful_ attempt to reconcile > Unix/GNU with an integrated desktop non-Unix folk would find familiar. There's no question that the two of you have forgotten more about Linux than I'll even know but I don't really worry too much about Frank's original worry. I sort of feel that the kernel will always be the kernel and everything that gets piled on top sort of seems to take care of itself in the end. If freedesktop.org goes down a path where it gets too complicated then I believe\think\hope some other group will step forward quietly, fork that portion of our beloved world and go do the right thing. Then again, I'm probably naive, but I can at least hope... :-) - Mark