From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B388413873B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E76E0AB2; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A978CE0AAD for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id lf10so1424190pab.13 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xbvY0iE9/QIg7fTyMVQkyG3aBR6BnpWe0/z1VYQxzNA=; b=e4feZtOYXehQ6GOo12YKPR5E9+FQX2sSTYjclAskwll6UAD2vZVqcF3YQ7dv/5nTPg JZX7PQspXcJOaA20735Ng6X/bWCtFrL8tp3iPQlK6B1MEIjqEOw0L+HgA4fgbrgG2Xvu JJ7OU99vksGj2q4I0lnZJerdw3IQvZMIP+D2DDKzazidIkfWXo51HVlPZV+ziYpxeUnA lNEbIOdI2viMna4VjQYkqscqBiXnHMB1AS1Htz36xt0aQjFsYSii5UJzAgPeFyOz+9Q7 J1F0iYfWkdl+r1E1YJQKZGigVqT3+mPSnrapWmarv+W0SuVH1ZFoSv/G5LMgSGa9gJv1 3NKQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.240.36 with SMTP id vx4mr5037194pbc.140.1393871916485; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.140.109 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5314B8C6.3040803@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things... From: Mark Knecht To: Gentoo AMD64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 0fca1672-b75f-4435-96cc-e35134454f95 X-Archives-Hash: da4ed2fe74117856c8575d0fdf44ecec On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > Come to the dark side. We have cookies. > > Regards. > -- > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n > Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico > I like cookies. Cookies sounds good. You're not a bad man with candy are yo= u? OK, I updated my SSD backup install this weekend so it's totally up-to-date. I'm curious enough and have good backups so I might be willing to take a bite and see if it's sweet or poison. ;-) QUESTION: I always use the plain Gentoo KDE profile as I run KDE. Looks like I possibly would select the KDE/systemd profile, do the work and then go through a learning process about how to get the right services turned on? If I understand this all then systemd, in it's current state, is going to require removing udev as a stand-along package, will remove sysvinit as systemd provides /sbin/init, and will also replace OpenRC with it's own code for starting and stopping services? It's a big change but it's one of the reasons why I built the backup install on the SSD. None of this really touches my spinning rust install I use daily. Also, WRT to an earlier comment about udev being 'merged recently' I found Kay Sievers note on this and that was somewhere in 2012. I agree with Canek here that being that it's 18 month later and I didn't know this and it's had no real effect on my machines it seems an overreaction to get too worried about that. Yeah, in the future they could possibly make it harder to use but eudev will know that's coming and fork again I'd think, assuming anyone cares at that point. Cheers, Mark - Mark