From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3EC13873B for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4729E0B2D; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA278E0AFE for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id hz1so164858pad.28 for ; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h3Ncx7VeeCrt7+2aFgzZYoQ7jtQ5Ce+f9Q4xb1QyytM=; b=pb+VDyjvxa931K8/xhdTgQqVLE2Dgwsswoe/ZZixgzYIgIwHxN5N/P/a3LaMQ8SdL5 riS7HInEkwCiYVSp6OvBn8uftAL/Np+tWYSf3ZNelDadzneO9IbMWwcbmASdQjxEtS7l jqzpQ3qYCUlRbEE/TkbXfFNa2PfPB+q14cBHiUTM2LJ5dc0q2cPJUSQaU6ClXzuIZxrw dgxl7mXV+LdEWkzHCv2IzwXm4bjMr4KDMyarK11dB8OvWnhi9es3s+VBMv4zbsEwGdDQ RYYbspaGyN7rWyR9RL+3a2D+M1BFX1gzK1uudZtqX3ztiTrl3SctGKq/nvvFfWcfMNJJ kWoA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.179.98 with SMTP id df2mr15109640pbc.51.1393786705717; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.140.109 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things... From: Mark Knecht To: Gentoo AMD64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 7901761d-ac4b-4c15-962c-f76804196931 X-Archives-Hash: 5e75c546343b231fa76a01dd8144276e On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Mark Knecht wrote= : >> Thanks Rich. The picture is getting clearer and other than getting my >> backup SSD installation up to date it's good to know there's no >> difficult requirements for me to deal with at this time. Being that I >> have been (for the last 5-6 years anyway) a 'stable' Gentoo user it's >> to my advantage if things stay basically the same over time. >> >> After your and Canek's responses it's clear that within my framework I >> won't be moving to eudev or mdev. The only systemd question I might >> need to answer going forward is for my dad's machine. He's got 15 >> years of email traffic in Evolution and I've not investigated running >> Evolution in any desktop environment other than Gnome. There's no way >> at this point to move him away from Evolution so I just need to figure >> out over time (the next year maybe) how to best deal with that. > > Please don't top post. > Sorry. I seldom do that and don't know why I did that time. > I've been using Evolution for more than 10 years, always with GNOME, > but I'm pretty sure you can run it in every other DE. > Probably true. The bar I need to hurdle, probably not much of a jump, would be getting any new DE to simply look enough like what he currently has in Gnome 2. I suspect that XFCE with identical wallpaper and a little thought about placing the right app-start icons on the desktop would be enough to give me 'plausible deniability' about whatever changes I actually made under the hood. Leaving out the issue of password changes I hope few folks have to deal with the phone call where, after 10 years of no changes, a loved one calls you and asks "What is this screen that is asking for my User Name and Password want me to do? I don't remember..." I am so thankful for both the remote administration capabilities of Linux and the security model/lack of viruses. I cannot imagine how painful my life would be today if he was still using Windows living 350 miles away. Cheers, Mark