From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E69138247 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 02:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC0B0E0AF3; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 02:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE5ECE0AF0 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 02:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hy4so6020514vcb.28 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:28:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Fp2ZapINqdsubvgm/GFdrx8D5Qg13qhE93cDvJNhgag=; b=B9+G6Bpvv/hhMk+/iA8rY9dV4xAUqDEKi7js89q2rB7Aowqbwq3XORgnwjyV5uswtM 2xJmvTHl9Ir/HwSOakm5cvYKxvr+4gPHPkJWZS2lhEYjIvJ/gnU4Ky512KQLK0gWzR0O 649JbSZSkxS5Rw8MINDBNTAP4Ud2lsOKTyhYyK9c7I3GPtrNYH5CITiZgyv++LDFlupq 8UZHMQzm76gNQe75dGD1aZUjzn6EL0kgwVgNeLbNaoP3uUDoT2szkJvEfwvwlZMWMfDM FivOvQP5CJzsjqgtyANMlVhC+0DdYpox2pdGo4USPAVHtGXXH+b9Y2eDSnpLhyXoZyDe WDaw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.54.193 with SMTP id vv1mr7143783vcb.14.1412735338956; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.8.229 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:28:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20141007211550.9c25a3ca13e7b989dfaec325@comcast.net> References: <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> <20141007204358.GA29518@crud> <543452F8.4010507@gmail.com> <20141007211907.GA31440@crud> <20141007211550.9c25a3ca13e7b989dfaec325@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:28:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: osSTkA_Dlw2NMoBMh68IATJQqwo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 613c44fc-2040-43dc-a5ed-8343b2b0e664 X-Archives-Hash: 23cfa298a409b26bc579df34fa37e758 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Frank Peters wrote: > > FOSS developers have to maintain an awareness that there is no One True > Way. A computer has always been and always will be a general purpose machine. > Therefore, the only rational philosophy for OS development is for an OS > to empower the user to apply this generality for his own needs. > You're basically arguing that if somebody putting together an OS has a working solution for something, they should spend just as much effort maintaining 3 other solutions for that something, and ensure that none of the solutions becomes any better than the others. OpenRC and Portage should work just as well with only csh installed as it does with bash installed, etc. That just isn't realistic. Most distros would rather support 47 features that users want, and not 3 features implemented 5 different ways each in a manner that is completely interchangeable. If a distro did things the way you wanted, very few would bother to use it, and likely fewer would bother to maintain it. You'll always have alternative solutions in FOSS because volunteers will work on things that interest them. Even after 99% of everything supports systemd exclusively you'll still find people writing sysvinit implementations from scratch in Ruby, just for the fun of it. However, you'll never find those alternative solutions receiving mainstream support, unless one actually tips the scale to the point where it is considered an equal. Heck, look at postgres - most would say that it is superior to mysql in many ways and yet many packages still don't support it. Nothing is preventing you from starting a "Foundation for Redundant Solutions" - with the express aim of maintaining all the stuff nobody uses any longer. I can't imagine you'll get a lot of donations - even if people might agree with you philosophically at some level, they're going to want to spend their money investing in stuff they actually use. -- Rich