From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5430138247 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 21:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FF56E09D8; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 21:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAECEE09CB for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 21:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id id10so5590667vcb.20 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:45:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QWD7nNs8t44y8RZOzT6wrOEmmGlbwYQDLufTDgQSfY0=; b=edOBgwz1XEPJaCbqnr4vEreM1hL62bI0DSc32EUltJkEKGGEfTyYo6/0Gt+Tomxmay DXZF1jQnlgZCeoPaDBvCAnFsNOuDq0oZeIdAFhASwQ5RY1APo0HmgQkOgOcuY+owFePt oD6kKjBUV6tMkJhBlgv443Tt+eMvY6bhLakHN+4GbBnOvOKnKBGTwkeMROtrJTRbxUaJ 2TEtNqyHETSN18eylS9h/dvlx8HlsEne0dbm6dWtZDzqUpKS4TShf5E7eyQWFsNR9z8M h3qFO06wnyrQXYgT60He8twXg7Sm9SnKv1ZwqYcLh8qNKnfYDxHYczpJ8+h5xqbDJTVi pvxg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.157.169 with SMTP id wn9mr478685vdb.90.1412718320495; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.8.229 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:45:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20141007211907.GA31440@crud> References: <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> <20141007204358.GA29518@crud> <543452F8.4010507@gmail.com> <20141007211907.GA31440@crud> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:45:20 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qvHdt__9K9WLjmuFG34VCk1c7FA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 82c73918-ef63-45b0-a243-820deb3e7afe X-Archives-Hash: 4286b8e36091a9a919d63155ff07910f On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Barry Schwartz wrote: > Damien Levac skribis: >> My humble opinion: >> >> If people want to work on a project, it is their own decision. > > That pertains to hobbyists. I=E2=80=99m purely a hobbyist, filling timek;= I > work on what I enjoy. Anyone who argues with that can keep it to > themselves. > > But we are talking, instead, about profit and non-profit organizations > that have goals and in some cases ask for our donations. Whose goals > are being achieved? You do need to consider the resources you're actually talking about here. You can't compare the resources of a community-driven distro like Gentoo to something like RedHat, and you can't even compare something like RedHat with the likes of Google. At my workplace the entire annual Gentoo budget would pay one employee for a few weeks tops. Most of the more community-oriented distros try to use their money as effort-multipliers. The Gentoo mailing lists, cvs, forums, etc don't cost that much to run but they enable huge amounts of community interaction. And when you look at stuff like Freedesktop the goal is for you to be able to plug a USB headset in and have it suddenly usable for phone calls, just like on any other modern OS. Sure, fonts are also something that can stand improvement, but they've actually come a long way. I'd say that getting printers to work is more important - though it is telling that even major vendors like Apple, Google, and Microsoft haven't even tried to solve that problem on their new OSes. -- Rich