From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807231388E3 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2057CE0ACB; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636E2E0ABC for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq11so5071906vcb.22 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=a5E1tcb60lGXgdLeF8LnrmGHYZH6vF8MAQK9qDG7VrE=; b=mBuuyn8AetjO1oyGQHfPD42s5fcI7OG7sP5V0DRvXCnpnJwPxxhC468UtDCEkBldlG 3lHh8kjfZQKlk9/cKJ097pA6S8hXDaG0htmnmNhTHfknsjRMb3DSmNN4NOExYiPHojHQ eIT6wE5nbgnToegyRYC6nUHqHcA4Ws+fYadt9iRV0vrVQ3LN/8KVmZnhqRkSc/GQYj6N bfsjJudSE+C3KWxgdWrDG5S4fZtijt74+YTsM3fhzpULwFFLc3DYSaNR4n4Tt3uqQPfV SGt06qFDC2QaZRAeOJjNmbRn7qvchzsKsapjsC0RJnBcme28CGVXaltOrPYg7SmiR97q c1dA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.49.10 with SMTP id t10mr4556427vcf.34.1412701473479; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.8.229 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:04:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140921220253.29b05782092a062c7148cbed@comcast.net> <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:04:33 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 48_INVZZuBhsrSQosOLzLJn8tKA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: bb78bb8e-986a-4c0d-bae5-4c3edcbc6584 X-Archives-Hash: dfd58d11b6d6bf26e5b309fd291dc697 On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Harry Holt wrote: > > The systemd folks are fine - it's all the other Linux devs (Linus, too) that > are the real problem: > I think we're all part of the problem to an extent. Many of us contribute to the flames, and many more of us contribute by tolerating them. Sometimes Lennart contributes his own flames to the mix, but I don't think that really makes his comments any less valid. I've been around Gentoo long enough to see several cycles of people ragequitting over this kind of nonsense, and fortunately some do return. We probably also receive in contributors who ragequit elsewhere, and other projects take on those we abandon along the way. It is a bit sad, to be honest, that despite the fact that we all share some common passions for FOSS we still manage to drive each other up the wall at times. Somebody once commented at a Linux User Group meeting I attended that if somebody came up with a "cure" for Aspergers it would destroy FOSS overnight, and maybe this has something to do with it. :) When I am confronted with this sort of stuff I always recall some words of wisdom from the 90s - "Cypherpunks write code." In the end we can complain about this or that, but the biggest lasting impact you can have on an FOSS project is writing code. When I think about that, I find myself spending less time tearing down people who are actually writing code, and more time writing code myself. -- Rich