From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0D41381F3 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFF84E0C27; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43BE5E0C18 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q14so4104927vbe.27 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:18:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AfEx2oRZBC7QXLfYd+xz4ISmcLfwrF6OKrE7g7EhYK0=; b=piHaIZpLWLZMgmRCCJmtsC+wnTGRMwGa7+6FZGnDHDM4a4dYPGK4l23LBUmbIyj3dM sr0GbxtqlRqFq6EGb/PpxZ+WGLIQ8vR/8z7sfH+02ngtm2rDLOqa5JR/hkl2Ggtl/INO gvZZ7ut4Ad1Im5oLX7lTM2uQyFXfFuod9xmSj8egiMbFi2UnCCoR5pXcon2BuAfBJiN8 R4mGdhiLQGiSy2v66jYXdUHUkHitLfosAGaSkO96AjtmqXbo60bntZLrO3ppYwus6szq pBpglUjD+ofbg2foM5ASPy3K5xevrHdlO+wuUkoxq9Ea38L6WBkExj63ZwnRTV7yDTIi U9jg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.254.200 with SMTP id ak8mr10471897ved.12.1382357889229; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.108.199 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:18:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20131021030948.GA4393@crud> References: <20131018213609.f27bbd49807324d8b19a94ab@comcast.net> <20131019151140.GA29488@crud> <20131019162426.GA8092@crud> <20131019133526.aefbe1444db23d2ed8012992@comcast.net> <20131020001522.GA3406@crud> <5263E593.6010104@teulu.org> <20131021030948.GA4393@crud> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:18:08 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uKQ43njVj50xOJLPX-Oz3e-QLgE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Wayland and X-Window From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c4d79e84-371a-4f2e-9649-c8e3bbb93c39 X-Archives-Hash: 1f9496a4452acae195d71c9e62adc2ee On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Barry Schwartz wrote: > > The FAQ portions given here are not encouraging to me: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29 > They make good points, but make them in the wrong way; notice the tone > of mockery towards X. I=92d be happier with a project that spoke > respectfully of what it was trying to bring up to date. The thing that drives me nuts is the general trend towards client-side everything. That's great if the client is running on the same machine as your display server, and horrible if not. Chrome does this even under X11, which means that if I'm running under NX it takes several seconds every time I hit page-down to transmit JPEGs of the entire browser window. This is really just a symptom of a larger problem though - useful stuff that has already been done gets looked down upon compared with useful stuff that hasn't been done yet. Nobody wants to help maintain somebody else's idea. The other problem is that the drive to make X11 more desktop-friendly so that it can be monetized is leading towards a casual-user mindset. Features that are useful to 95% of those using X11 today are probably not useful to 95% of the people who the maintainers want to use X11. Those who use Linux they way the do today may very well end up being a small minority, having the kind of market share on Linux that Linux has in the desktop OS world today. Even if a bunch of devs fork X11 they're probably going to find things moving backwards when the video card vendors drop support. Rich