From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C36F13838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DE9EE0929; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7350E090F for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z10so3383641pdj.21 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0bV0tFGaYbf6ySo5lbVkptuIYP8fuDDklV44DUNrC4M=; b=PU+tWCdwO27zC//m14kw7lYGGmfIv9a70z5wIiqynw+Ku8QDXCb341y14zp34CURAW mhEuJKpRpoer5Ex07mhoqRR4GZ77BV8Z7Xg1elB7OTtCW/LPSeWTV56s09QDDGE4YF9p ELLlRQrvQz3HK/1hpqdZ1Uz8LdXmMxCRJAwGe537ThKDJYZs3UMAdkT7D85acV0jvAzf pnGTZl6zoOEHscDzqJ/ZeCFOtctIfo3xmYd4OwNiGMnw8jHZLJVz46VU49H47hmEvhvv GbiMhuB/1HcjPykVAq5QmYduqiqJ5JyyANuvuCRcUkRmnkMAReMzARPKinhhMZ2XwZFY aklw== X-Received: by 10.70.93.37 with SMTP id cr5mr30472758pdb.67.1411402322385; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.37.9 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> From: Lie Ryan Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:11:42 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9e74c2f0-bed4-47ad-ba43-983befe44ddb X-Archives-Hash: 6845bf392efbf113b17518fb4a1c4033 On 22 September 2014 07:13, Frank Peters wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:22:38 -0500 > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Barry Schwartz >> wrote: >> > The words =E2=80=98Red Hat=E2=80=99 have put a chill down my spine for= nearly 20 >> > years. >> >> I know, right? A company that actually pays money to developers so >> they could work on Free Software. >> > > Check out page 18 of the 2014 GNOME Asia talk: > http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf > > "Our objectives: > > Turing Linux from a bag of bits into a competitive General Purpose > Operating System. > > Building the Internet's Next Generation OS. > > Unifying pointless differences between distributions." > > Can it be any clearer that the Gnome (RedHat) folks desire to > usurp total control of the Linux ecosystem to serve their own > ends? RedHat needs Linux to make a profit and it will mold > Linux to better attain this end. > > Is Linux currently just a "bag of bits." A lot of people > would take serious issue with this inane comment, but according > to the Gnome (RedHat) folks they are here to save us all > from the terrible shortcomings of Linux (whether we want it or > not). > > Notice the remark about the "pointless differences between > distributions." This is nothing more than a disguised condemnation > of the diversity, variety, and choice which has always been the > strongest feature of the Linux world. Let's make ten different electric sockets, twenty different way to calculate version number for softwares, thirty software licenses, and don't forget to make at least five mutually-incompatible APIs for every browser features that all do roughly the same thing differently. Oh, and everyone had to write their dates in Month-Year-Day, period. Is your life any better from having this kind of "diversity"? Encouraging pointless differences is not supporting diversity. In contrary, encouraging pointless differences *kills* diversity. Diversity is a mean to the end of producing better software system, it isn't an end of itself. If having less diversity means that I can take my software, bring it to another totally different system, and it works just as well as it was, then so be it.