From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC1513838B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C65CEE0B04; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2573BE0966 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hn15so3953353igb.9 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:09:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XChdyKzYg2c+sulFlmE9CB5R+krxrvPON/MvktOreEY=; b=wXE9uoWHsIjrGhG1sStHTuypFtbUd/Ef8cCckeZeRdzMAwlMPIzMhZjwxxTLgzsMxG sQghUb5BlHF8OoHAt5HGLwlmTeiRm+kDqGHBxWU0dpZhBbHEimTyEkQDa2NOSn8eiXzA PmbtgvDZg7zeTbWM5/Lac4xUJHhzJjSqWQup9/A9eZxM5ZvW0aXjiaRMt+444P8jLxpo fXFchdXcdWIZaF72L9SlD9PuI9tPoHPDG5CrkQG1kGYY3VGx/ii8aUj/nhGdwk5Jp0D0 BykSCUz1E2thtlJ0Es+Exwn+Q3VuyyqVBGVM1cz1wPKnGnFjWW8Sj82gvX2Cm5cbZJxu t3/g== X-Received: by 10.43.82.66 with SMTP id ab2mr145065icc.56.1411445384394; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.141 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:09:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 60ab25d6-bee7-4f3a-9979-d37ba2b9bc66 X-Archives-Hash: 3ec105baed9f0c94c0d0b44b9e2c762d On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Antoine Martin wr= ote: > Your attempt to dismiss other people's concern with an appeal to authorit= y > is cute. Thank you, I think so too. > And as was pointed later, this is very much a case of "cherry picking" fr= om > the interview, I've also seen " appeal to the majority" used in this thre= ad. It's not an appeal to the "majority". I don't care what the "majority" of Linux users wants... in the first place because there is no reliable way to measure such thing, and in the second place because I think an admin with dominion over 100 systems, his opinion should have more weight than the high school student that it's learning Linux. I care about technical arguments (which this thread has been *incredibly* lacking, except for the failed attempts to call a "philosophy" a technical argument), and the opinion of experts on the subject. And more than that, even, I care about code. Talk is cheap; coding is hard. Look at the git repositories, and basically all the answers that you want are there. Finally, I know you didn't specifically said it was me, but I want to make something clear: I've *never* in this thread said that anyone was stupid or "holding back" progress. I said that the anonymous author from boycottsystemd.org was either spreading FUD or ignorant, but I presented proof of why it's blatantly false that GNOME has a hard dependency on systemd. Here are the links again: [1], [2]. [1] http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=3Darticle&sid=3D20140219085851 [2] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/tree/configure.ac#n139 Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico