From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:31:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc829Hgi9HHuW62BXFmVbjEDpU+QWEcVpPnT7uX9zy9=oTw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140923014920.5fba42da1085fdb5305e9ea4@comcast.net>
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:48:46 -0500
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just said that this thread has *seriously* lacked on technical
>> arguments. I haven't made almost any technical argument, because
>> basically all the discussion has been around conspiracy theories
>> ...
>> *You* call *that* "a reasonable discussion of technical issues"?
>>
>
> Any *good* programmer realizes that programming is not at all
> about writing code. The foremost tasks of a good programmer
> are problem analysis, planning, and understanding both the overall
> scheme and ramifications of any proposed solution. Once these
> tasks are accomplished the actual coding, which is a relatively
> trivial matter, can begin.
http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/systemd.html
You may not agree with the points presented there, but there was
*ample* "analysis, planning, and understanding of the overall scheme
and ramifications" of the "proposed solution" (systemd in this case)
before a single line of core was written.
And then they also wrote the code.
> Therefore it is not unreasonable or unproductive to approach
> the systemd issue from a political or philosophical perspective.
I will just answer: code talks.
> But having said that, I will admit that this thread has served
> its purpose for me. My concerns about systemd have been addressed
> and my fears have been calmed by the responses. I want to thank
> all those who participated.
You are welcome.
> However, I do remain cautiously optimistic. Anyone who understands
> the human world knows all too well that idealistic causes do not
> persist for long. I am sometimes surprised at the longevity of
> Linux as a free and open project, but I realize that in time it too shall
> succumb to the social forces that have destroyed similar endeavors.
> I can only hope that the time will be long in coming.
Again, code talks. And Linux is not idealistic at all; I believe Linus
and his lieutenants would laugh at the notion that it is.
Linux is a technological triumph, created, maintained and evolved by
highly technically qualified people. Idealism had nothing to do with
it; contrary to GNU/Hurd, the GPL-2 license was chosen because it was
the best choice for technical reasons (highly collaborative project
over the Internet). And because idealism has nothing to do with it, it
didn't switched over to GPL-3.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-21 17:25 [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Frank Peters
2014-09-21 17:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 18:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 19:15 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:20 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:33 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 21:13 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 22:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 22:15 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-21 22:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 5:27 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 0:26 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 0:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 2:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 2:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 6:00 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 12:47 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 16:14 ` Duncan
2014-09-23 14:55 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-24 11:25 ` Duncan
2014-09-24 16:58 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-25 4:12 ` Duncan
2014-09-25 11:34 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:18 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:55 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 17:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-07 20:43 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 20:54 ` Damien Levac
2014-10-07 21:19 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 21:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 1:15 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 2:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 3:19 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-08 12:34 ` Phil Turmel
2014-10-08 18:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 21:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-08 3:23 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 13:23 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:00 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:21 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Duncan
2014-09-22 17:04 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 17:58 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 18:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:08 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 19:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:54 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:08 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 3:51 ` Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 4:07 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:17 ` [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 5:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:29 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-23 4:09 ` [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:32 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 4:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:49 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-23 6:05 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 6:31 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2014-09-23 5:28 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 17:11 ` Paul Jewell
2014-09-23 23:31 ` Systemd is really beside the point, anyway (was Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd) Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:45 ` [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Duncan
2014-09-22 18:41 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:07 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 20:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:24 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 18:07 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:11 ` Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 16:35 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:55 ` Frank Peters
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