From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:37:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc82709OCezzytzZQvrZrQjD_zG1ke7SQA2jzfkrw=2kOKQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net>
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net> wrote:
> For any who need opposing information on systemd, check out the
> following web page:
>
> http://boycottsystemd.org
>
> This page was referenced on Slashdot recently and contains
> a good overview of the undesirability of systemd. Of course,
> Gentoo is mentioned as one of the few remaining distributions
> that still offer a choice.
>
> For me, point #7 is particularly odious:
>
> "7. systemd is viral by its very nature. Its scope in functionality
> and creeping in as a dependency to lots of packages means that distro
> maintainers will have to necessitate a conversion, or suffer a drift.
> As an example, the GNOME environment has adopted systemd as a hard
> dependency..."
>
> I do not oppose systemd. In fact, I'd rather not care about it in the least.
> But I want to be able to implement the boot process and system configuration
> in my own way and it seems that systemd will threaten that in the future.
>
> Take particular note of the end section "What You Can Do." There
> are plenty of alternatives and such an array of choices is what
> has always made Linux highly interesting, attractive, and useful.
> We all need to insist on keeping it this way.
This last part is important; if you don't like systemd, bitching about
it will do nothing: you have to use and contribute to the
alternatives. Linux (and Gentoo) are about choice, as long as there is
someone willing and able to provide that choice; no one will
(necessarily) provide that choice for you out of nothing.
Also, I would use better arguments than those stated in the posted
link: several of them are inaccurate, or even straight lies: in
particular to the mentioned point 7, it is false that GNOME has
adopted systemd as a hard dependency. That's just not true: GNOME 3
runs in {Open,Free}BSD just fine.
GNOME supports both systemd (logind, actually) *AND* ConsoleKit as
backends[2], so if you hear or read someone saying that GNOME depends
on systemd, that person is either spreading FUD, or showing her
ignorance.
Regards.
[1] http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140219085851
[2] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/tree/configure.ac#n139
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-21 17:25 [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Frank Peters
2014-09-21 17:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2014-09-21 18:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 19:15 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:20 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:33 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 21:13 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 22:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 22:15 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-21 22:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 5:27 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 0:26 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 0:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 2:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 2:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 6:00 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 12:47 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 16:14 ` Duncan
2014-09-23 14:55 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-24 11:25 ` Duncan
2014-09-24 16:58 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-25 4:12 ` Duncan
2014-09-25 11:34 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:18 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:55 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 17:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-07 20:43 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 20:54 ` Damien Levac
2014-10-07 21:19 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 21:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 1:15 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 2:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 3:19 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-08 12:34 ` Phil Turmel
2014-10-08 18:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 21:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-08 3:23 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 13:23 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:00 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:21 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Duncan
2014-09-22 17:04 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 17:58 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 18:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:08 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 19:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:54 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:08 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 3:51 ` Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 4:07 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:17 ` [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 5:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:29 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-23 4:09 ` [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:32 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 4:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:49 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-23 6:05 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 6:31 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:28 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 17:11 ` Paul Jewell
2014-09-23 23:31 ` Systemd is really beside the point, anyway (was Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd) Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:45 ` [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Duncan
2014-09-22 18:41 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:07 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 20:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:24 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 18:07 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:11 ` Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 16:35 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:55 ` Frank Peters
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