From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B0913838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC1E8E0AD7; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39266E096C for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id rp18so6112731iec.14 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0dZJvzdB3uBW0XZzLS5bY0x1KCBgDD5GH9J+UuilOcQ=; b=AVgWT+b9Ceqh55olG3vSd43VUdw2+JnqV3tHNzVpVwkl55dXIhjFMKUoqbqdWZencG gU9WrSB6Zx7lmtZntJEf2WbbZruUrJskP9Gtw1rpxpL+9jUhdW8tEB93LUv98eNYsPXC b5OrEz0OndTkOaeNh3byboN05wd0crxJluu6km0o8rjbfLYwdselqg90BBpP4+dFFguC RSGcx7yuzkcIsGtlD1YDrW/4ePqNhb/PvLGItukjs+E40eEgBY7a3RTvTULsu+8xtSDZ VWhLIp6KQVHzDzImS5iabe9zER0YjVyaBPUZ6zA+lOAHSm9ZT04U0tR+4BwuSJ+Pd4yh bkrA== X-Received: by 10.50.79.232 with SMTP id m8mr1812046igx.0.1411414779502; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.141 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140922153022.b0f67e1f35974448d986205b@comcast.net> References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <20140922153022.b0f67e1f35974448d986205b@comcast.net> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c5b226ec-3a26-43d2-8877-9db96fcde248 X-Archives-Hash: 438b9885644d102ed2fa8f80da84f2a6 On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Frank Peters wr= ote: > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:22:28 -0500 > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> >> As a professional programmer, I completely disagree with any dogma >> based on "philosophy" rather than technical merits. >> >> "So I think many of the "original ideals" of UNIX are these days more >> of a mindset issue than necessarily reflecting reality of the >> situation. >> > > That's not the issue here at all. The issue is the possible > hegemony being imposed by systemd. Whether or not this is true > this issue at least deserves some attention. It's free software, as long as there is developers willing to work on alternatives, there will be alternatives. > Regarding the "Unix philosophy," I doubt that anyone still considers > that a "pipeline of simple tools" is the ideal approach. Software > has assumed gigantic proportions (to match hardware capabilities) of > late and that traditional Unix model certainly would never fit. Agreed. > But not all software is gigantic. I would venture a guess that > a large majority of programs are simple one-off concoctions designed > to meet some simple individual need. In these cases it sure is nice > to have the standard Unix tools available. I use them frequently > for various simple purposes. They are free software. You can keep them forever. > Regarding the booting and configuring of a Linux system, the job can be > either very complex or very simple. For the simple case, is there > technical merit in having to use systemd? I would claim that there > is not. For complex scenarios, by all means utilize systemd. > But let's keep the appropriate tools available for the appropriate job. Who's going to take them away? And besides, it is FREE SOFTWARE. Clone the repositories, and keep a personal copy around forever if you like. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico