From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:48:46 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc80dGriLjf4s2zSsHRnGBKFkidGmjnJ2Sp6M+sqgtRtvtA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140923043207.GA31187@crud>
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Barry Schwartz
<chemoelectric@chemoelectric.org> wrote:
[snip]
> Am I to understand that you are an actual academic and yet consider
> this kind of speech a reasonable discussion of technical issues?
I just said that this thread has *seriously* lacked on technical
arguments. I haven't made almost any technical argument, because
basically all the discussion has been around conspiracy theories about
"evil figures" (not my words), for "profit" companies (again, not my
words), and the infallibility of the Unix "philosophy", in which this
field apparently the arguments "go round and round, however, and never
change"... again, not my words, *yours* actually.
*You* call *that* "a reasonable discussion of technical issues"?
> It is more like an exchange between political candidates or lawyers in
> a courtroom.
I agree. But I just started participating in this thread to expose a
blatantly false claim, that GNOME has systemd as hard dependency. All
that has followed (except for a few precious good comments from Rich
and others), has been like you have described, "an exchange between
political candidates or lawyers in a courtroom".
You in particular ignored my comment about why vertical integration,
non-portability, and binary formats have its merits.
> This is why I don’t even bother to explain how fontconfig is ruining
> everything, even though I can do so in exquisite detail.
No offense, but I do not care about your opinion on fontconfig or
programming languages with built-in provisions against buffer
overflows. However, I would *love* to discuss, in a reasonable way,
about the merits and weakness of systemd.
So bring it on.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-23 4:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-21 17:25 [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Frank Peters
2014-09-21 17:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 18:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 19:15 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:20 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:33 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 21:13 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 22:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 22:15 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-21 22:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 5:27 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 0:26 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 0:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 2:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 2:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 6:00 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 12:47 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 16:14 ` Duncan
2014-09-23 14:55 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-24 11:25 ` Duncan
2014-09-24 16:58 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-25 4:12 ` Duncan
2014-09-25 11:34 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:18 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:55 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 17:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-07 20:43 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 20:54 ` Damien Levac
2014-10-07 21:19 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 21:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 1:15 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 2:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 3:19 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-08 12:34 ` Phil Turmel
2014-10-08 18:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 21:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-08 3:23 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 13:23 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:00 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:21 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Duncan
2014-09-22 17:04 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 17:58 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 18:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:08 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 19:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:54 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:08 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 3:51 ` Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 4:07 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:17 ` [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 5:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:29 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-23 4:09 ` [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:32 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 4:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2014-09-23 5:49 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-23 6:05 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 6:31 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:28 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 17:11 ` Paul Jewell
2014-09-23 23:31 ` Systemd is really beside the point, anyway (was Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd) Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:45 ` [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Duncan
2014-09-22 18:41 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:07 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 20:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:24 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 18:07 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:11 ` Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 16:35 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:55 ` Frank Peters
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