From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F0F13838B for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64699E0A00; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE523E09FC for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x3so2771855qcv.30 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qRpCQxWQH9BfDNTAkosPK4W4gh5eXAVuRI09sRHnC6I=; b=O+afz/0MXvARkoHTA00K6BoZk/jg4WUXRUFcsGA1B+m0LOrc6/EqmsIxuoZ8iHQKV/ iOkwsU4qufnAavq9Znwvj9myEnHxgaOdt80dSL5MmonLfonCu0IGcmWJZQzlVBuvuu4k QhM88sPabpi0QAaWy9C4NaJR36l1YpP8im6y3D+WtvHIkxmMImIoG6zqZBYPsVuOO1Gz M3HzDsVwkaK/j4bIEZSHY8XevO1b69IozkiQFJLONJsGmALnZPz19Sg+EhU4V5YPYmsw OUvE93akAGj664jmrm5cEsGttwWZPDh7UHso2UlsXKsLxIvdHS49i2R1RKhtar5KidS1 c9dQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.43.200 with SMTP id x8mr15599170qae.30.1411644853984; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.128.68 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:34:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140921220253.29b05782092a062c7148cbed@comcast.net> <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:34:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd From: Harry Holt To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0ec2212299c0503e22e2d X-Archives-Salt: f214dfc5-4822-4d3f-8f8f-eee88880710b X-Archives-Hash: f84bd0041a056b87195c843fe0ec4393 --047d7bf0ec2212299c0503e22e2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > Frank Peters posted on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:58:22 -0400 as excerpted: > > > This method may seem strange and even regressive and stubborn to many > > Linux users. All I can say in response is that one has to be a little > > bit fanatical to even use Linux, > > ... let alone Gentoo,... > > > and I am probably more than just a little bit fanatical. > > =:^) > > While few gentooers take it to the level you have, I expect most > understand the concept. After all, they /are/ gentooers. =:^) > > FWIW, I was doing something similar with my own suspend/hibernate script > for awhile. I stopped once I switched to systemd as its related > functionality works well enough, and does what I want and need without > the whole policykit, etc, circus, which I do *NOT* want or need. > > There's a certain "direct drive", "close to the metal" confidence you get > from mastering the concepts well enough to do it yourself like that. Any > gentooer should appreciate the concept to some extent, but those that > have actually gone beyond gentoo and bare-scripted at that level I think > appreciate even more both the concept, and how powerful and even > addicting it can be. For those who have done it, there's a definite loss > in doing it any other way. For some people at some point, that loss is > worth it to avoid the additional maintenance and responsibility that > comes with it, while for others there is and can be no acceptable > replacement for that direct control. > Oh, come now. Gentoo is for the folks who want it all simple and easy, packaged pretty and tied with a bow. Real Linux techies only use Linux from Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ;) > > FWIW, as I said I've accepted that loss in letting systemd handle the > suspend and hibernate details for me now, but OTOH, while I can > appreciate those who for instance leave gentoo for arch, assuming gentoo > is still viable at the time, I have a hard time envisioning me running > anything else even 20-30 years from now when chances are I'll be in a > retirement home. I /am/ nearing 50 after all, and 30 years from now > would put me at 77, at which point there is definitely a fair chance I'll > be in a retirement home, if I'm even around any longer... And yes, I > think there's a fair chance I'll still be running gentoo, even then. =:^) > > IOW, I think it's fair to say that most/all gentooers are at least a bit > fanatical in that way, enough to appreciate and respect your position. > Certainly I do. =:^) > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman > > > --047d7bf0ec2212299c0503e22e2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net= > wrote:
Fra= nk Peters posted on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:58:22 -0400 as excerpted:

> This method may seem strange and even regressive and stubborn to many<= br> > Linux users.=A0 All I can say in response is that one has to be a litt= le
> bit fanatical to even use Linux,

... let alone Gentoo,...

> and I am probably more than just a little bit fanatical.

=3D:^)

While few gentooers take it to the level you have, I expect most
understand the concept.=A0 After all, they /are/ gentooers. =3D:^)

FWIW, I was doing something similar with my own suspend/hibernate script for awhile.=A0 I stopped once I switched to systemd as its related
functionality works well enough, and does what I want and need without
the whole policykit, etc, circus, which I do *NOT* want or need.

There's a certain "direct drive", "close to the metal&qu= ot; confidence you get
from mastering the concepts well enough to do it yourself like that.=A0 Any=
gentooer should appreciate the concept to some extent, but those that
have actually gone beyond gentoo and bare-scripted at that level I think appreciate even more both the concept, and how powerful and even
addicting it can be.=A0 For those who have done it, there's a definite = loss
in doing it any other way.=A0 For some people at some point, that loss is worth it to avoid the additional maintenance and responsibility that
comes with it, while for others there is and can be no acceptable
replacement for that direct control.

Oh= , come now.=A0 Gentoo is for the folks who want it all simple and easy, pac= kaged pretty and tied with a bow.

Real Linux techies only= use Linux from Scratch http:/= /www.linuxfromscratch.org/

;)

=A0

FWIW, as I said I've accepted that loss in letting systemd handle the suspend and hibernate details for me now, but OTOH, while I can
appreciate those who for instance leave gentoo for arch, assuming gentoo is still viable at the time, I have a hard time envisioning me running
anything else even 20-30 years from now when chances are I'll be in a retirement home.=A0 I /am/ nearing 50 after all, and 30 years from now
would put me at 77, at which point there is definitely a fair chance I'= ll
be in a retirement home, if I'm even around any longer...=A0 And yes, I=
think there's a fair chance I'll still be running gentoo, even then= . =3D:^)

IOW, I think it's fair to say that most/all gentooers are at least a bi= t
fanatical in that way, enough to appreciate and respect your position.
Certainly I do. =3D:^)

--
Duncan - List replies preferred.=A0 =A0No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."=A0 Richard Stallman


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