From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PQkxg-0004sJ-RQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:11:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65ABDE0BD4 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3E5E0A4A for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so3042662wyf.40 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:37:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g2DUk6LsfXgrHjH8V5dx6GX+Exxo+UhrysG4K3hTjA4=; b=ar+7cAYT1A5Dpx41Y3xrbkeyBZ1nOQVIf4a61+dhg7LSZF9kRfqzLMPT/ZfyyGhy13 tcswSiu2LVv/hdPFzwwKqtSujfTnXDjtWQj0uU+ZXKoZ+LbR7BsKyWcJ4LevE8fpVqa0 r1Revda5ibQgQmtt9KCL2UzeRmfZvQMbx7X1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ck4/ue8ChhnH0/hqrjy74pIQNwyq7PGB9rJNVvZz6mvLltxOTlireHN/ra3m98kRL2 Q9rkPizlOuU7Xz7baLnWP24pIqAhXyYIApQ/y+cytly+lvx3FtnRYbLMXLjF5NbB13s4 DPFPJFdblZJmf1X4rzN6PNpbNF0O9w09Q5K+U= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.129.17 with SMTP id m17mr2374271wbs.77.1291916235406; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.129 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D0105C3.4010401@gmail.com> References: <4CFFF5DE.20303@gmail.com> <4D001CFF.60502@gmail.com> <201012081913.19278.stsander@sblan.net> <4D006571.7040807@gmail.com> <20101209101920.fd3c138f.frank.peters@comcast.net> <4D0105C3.4010401@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. From: Harry Holt To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636831f584a7c960496fdb073 X-Archives-Salt: db94766b-6601-4af4-b526-1b8e00dcd8ec X-Archives-Hash: dcd476e8d5c6b6ac5aec9dcd78c9d5b0 --001636831f584a7c960496fdb073 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale wrote: > Frank Peters wrote: > >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) >> Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Stan Sander wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> In addition to using grub-static, you will need to have the IA32 >>>>> Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't be able to execute >>>>> grub at all. It's under file formats / Emulations in the menu. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's still good, >>> just in case it would have been overlooked. FWIW when I first switched >>> to >>> no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried turning off >>> that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I think it was >>> lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's definitely worth >>> remembering. >>> >>> >>> >> Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all. I have IA32 turned off and I use >> lilo to boot. There is no problem. >> >> Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably use grub >> because of the "follow the leader" syndrome. Lilo is still quite >> effective >> and also quite simple. Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have not removed >> lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just compile it >> myself. Continuous change is not a law of the universe. Some methods >> never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion should never >> be the final guide). >> >> Frank Peters >> >> >> > > No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub. I used lilo first > and for me, it was a nightmare. Fixing even a small typo was painful for > me. I switched to grub and the difference was like flying the space shuttle > or riding a tri-cycle. Let's remove the computers from the space shuttle > just to make it as difficult. > > I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will not > compile on any rig I have. > > Dale > > Good analogy. My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in a tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere. Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful. > :-) :-) > > --001636831f584a7c960496fdb073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Frank Peters wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan<1i5t5.d= uncan@cox.net> =A0wrote:

=A0
=A0 =A0
Stan Sander wrote:
=A0 =A0 =A0
=A0 =A0
In addition to using grub-static, you will need to have the IA32
Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't be able to execute
grub at all. =A0It's under file formats / Emulations in the menu.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's still go= od,
just in case it would have been overlooked. =A0FWIW when I first switched t= o
no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried turning off
that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I think it was=
lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's definitely worth
remembering.

=A0 =A0
Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all. =A0I have IA32 turned off and I us= e
lilo to boot. =A0There is no problem.

Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably use grub
because of the "follow the leader" syndrome. =A0Lilo is still qui= te effective
and also quite simple. =A0Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have not remove= d
lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just compile it
myself. =A0Continuous change is not a law of the universe. =A0Some methods<= br> never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion should never
be the final guide).

Frank Peters

=A0

No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub. =A0I used lilo firs= t and for me, it was a nightmare. =A0Fixing even a small typo was painful f= or me. =A0I switched to grub and the difference was like flying the space s= huttle or riding a tri-cycle. =A0Let's remove the computers from the sp= ace shuttle just to make it as difficult.

I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will not comp= ile on any rig I have.

Dale


Good analogy.=A0 My issue with grub is tha= t when it fails, I'm stuck in a tin can in low earth orbit and likely t= o burn up in the atmosphere.=A0

Recovering from a fall off my tri-c= ycle is not nearly as painful.

=A0
= :-) =A0:-)


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